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29 April 2008

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Clark C

"Bizarre" is an understatement. The wheels are coming off the bus of the Obama campaign. The timing was horrible and Wright comes across as a saboteur.

Samuel I

Is this too late to "reject and denounce" the good reverend? After 20 years?

Rod Mc

Luther: "Hot mess" is absolutely right. The National Press Club session was a spectacle and quite narcissistic. Oh, and there is a response to your comment about Eugene Robinson at the other thread.

Taylor Siluwe

There has been a lot of apologizing and side-stepping landmines in this campaign.

We as black folks are always the ones apologizing. Why is that? Why shouldn't we just be proud of America and shut up about the past?

Michele Obama clarifying her statement about at times not being proud of her country, when every black person knew what she was talking about already. This country has given us--who's blood and sweat and tears built this great land--its ass to kiss for a long time. Michele knew that. Rev. Wright knows that as well.

Yeah, he's a character. But he's also right.

Now Barack being forced to vehemently distance himself to assuage white America is just the latest example of us apologizing for noticing the unpleasant truths about our country, things we shouldn't have to write-off, get over or explain to white folks.

Sad, painful, but completely understandable in Barack Obama's position.

I'd never be one to say God damn America, but I'm quite comfortable saying God damn the media for wasting all this air time feigning outrage over Wright's comments, which are way too true for anyone to ever admit.

GTA

It's about time Obama said enough was enough. LOL, maybe the Huffington Post, Daily Kos and the black talk radio will finally stop making excuses for Rev. Wright.

AA

Taylor, I understand what you are saying and that has been the prevailing thought in the black community. It seems like many people are thinking, "This is our time."

Nope, sorry, it doesn't work like that and it's not necessarily about race. Obama is supposed to be campaigning to "unite" people and on his superior judgment. Both are called into question when his longtime "mentor" and "pastor" is very divisive and says many things that offend many people. Although the reverend obviously does not speak for Obama, it's not a good reflection. The fact is, many people don't know very much about Barack Obama and it starts to raise questions.

I wouldn't blame this on the media. They are only reporting what is out there and what is making news. In all fairness, if the media reported this last year, we wouldn't be going through this now. .

The publicity stunt was ridiculous and everyone who apologized and encouraged Wright should see the harm. Supposedly, the YouTube clips and FOX News took Wright's sermons "out of context." We saw the exact same performances at the NAACP and National Press Club. Rev. Wright should have let the Moyers interview stand on its own.

ATL Kid

Wright had the choice of defending himself and his church, or "taking one for the team" to try to get Obama elected. Once he made that choice, this was inevitable.

A. Ronald

Okay Taylor, you make a point so let me ask you this. Exactly what does the church mean to Obama? How often did he attend?

Makes me think that Obama's reason for joining the church not religious merely to impress the 8,000 potential constituents to advance his political career. He does what politicians do.

It is difficult to believe that Barack and Michelle have attended that church for more tahn a adecade and donated more than a quarter million dollars ifthey had no idea.

Of course they knew. Rev. Wright is very much like many other black pastors. He is brilliant, thoughtful, theatrical and often controversial. So if Obama says he "didn't know", he is probably not telling the truth. Does that make me like him any less? No. Barack Obama is a politician and that's what politicans do.

Oh, and Rod you were 110% right on Friday and a few weeks ago about this. We are not worthy ... lol!

A. Ronald

Either Barack Obama was there for 20 years and knows this church's liberation theology or he joined this church as a way to connect to the important people in that part of Chi. Either way this does not speak well of Barry and if he does become the nominee the Dems will be putting forth a very weak candidate for the general.

brad lindau

Hopefully these remarks will finally "cancel" the Rev. Wright sopa opera. It DOES NOT help Barack Obama, the Democratic Party or the country.

And let me add that I'm a Clinton supporter and took no pleasure in watching this crazy circus. Let's get back to the issues.

Homo N Harlem

By the way, where in the world are John Kerry,Ted Kennedy and Maria Shriver in the midst of all this?

*sound of crickets chirping*

And Oprah?

Just Jack

Everyone has self interest involved. We all know these things are said in the black community, in churches and barber shops. They key to Obama's success has been keeping all the "too black" baggage from the public view.

Luther is right. Obama should have done this long ago, instead of that fancy do-nothing "speech." I really wpould ahve more respect for him if he wopuld have said long ago, Ok, I heard some things and should have spoken up.

Many of us in the black community are delusional if we do not believe this has been harmful for Obama.

Myles

Love him or hate him the fact is Rev Wright knows Obama better than any of us.

Obama subscribed to this man for 20+ years, has referred to him as being like an uncle, was his mentor, wrote about him in his book. Sounds like politics as usual. And yes it’s going to hurt him and it should.

TheRevKev

I am with you Brad. This atrocity of a sideshow has got to be cancelled. At the end of the day, this WRIGHT ISSUE has gone from some fundamental issues and concerns about the variances between blacks and whites in socio-economic concerns, politics, war, AIDS and many pertinent topics to the Good Dr. Wright feeling the need to "redeem" himself, even at the expense of Senator Obama and his campaign. The TUG OF WAR is becoming ridiculous as one side is OBAMA/CLINTON and now its OBAMA/WRIGHT? Did the Reverend feel betrayed? Did he just get caught up by the amp of the crowd in Detroit and spill that over into the Press Club? Whatever the reason, it was PURE MINSTREL! Mocking Kennedy, which was ACCENT and not EBONICS and the shuffle and such...SO COMPLETELY BENEATH THIS BRILLIANT MAN!

As Senator Obama said "THIS IS NOT THE MAN I HAVE KNOWN!" THIS IS NOT THE GENIUS WHOSE MINISTRY HAS BEEN TRANSFORMATIVE IN THE WORLD OF BLACK CHURCHES AND WHO HAS STOOD WITH BLACK LGBT FOLKS FOR DECADES!

SING CHAKA: "WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO AT THE END OF A LOVE AFFAAAAAIR!?"

Ryan

Sorry..but its OVER!

No matter what Obama does from here on out, he is FOREVER linked to Wright...

Sorry Obamacans....the "chosen" one has been forever tarnished by this latest debacle. no matter what he does, it wont be enough..

he waited TOO LATE to denounce this man...if he is the nominee for the dems, the republicans have ENOUGH ammo to go after him for the next YEAR or so...

And to think, I was considering hopping on the Obama train of "transcendence" and "change"...NOT.

AA

Javier, that was a good one.

Duwayne

I feel very saddened that even Obama is totally throwing Rev. Wright under the bus after 20 years and donating thousands of dollars. I guess he didn't hear any of these statements during the 20 years he went to this church even though he knows the man well enough to name a book after one of his sermons. Obama has absolutely no backbone. No one could make me turn my back on my pastor after all she has done for me. It would serve Obama right if Rev. Wright keeps talking. What does he have to lose now? Obviously there was never a friendship to begin with. Obama went to this church to get ahead politically, that is clear as crystal.

Marcus Santora

golly,
I can't stop scratching my head in bewilderment over the strength of this "controversy".

people are questioning their support of Obama based on the words of Jeremiah Wright?

Obama has been hijacked into a dystopic universe.
the rest of us play along beautifully.

does anyone really believe that Wright's sermons and prognostications are predictive of Obama's ideology?

thoughtful people defer and reason is unplugged from the equation.

are we all prepared to drive nails into the Barack Obama's campaign in the aftermath of Wright's narcissistic pontifications?

Obama entertains opinions from many quarters.
intellectual curiosity is the hallmark of a vital mind.
haven't you, as a thoughtful person, at least once, burned over the opinion of someone you respect?

do you storm out, inchoate?
or does your brain percolate;
more confident in a myriad of reasons why you should dismiss a stupefying ideology?
the calculus, in the end; the ideas he foments; the things he takes responsibility for.

the twaddle spewing from the minds of those he leaves in his wake does not define him.

he speaks for himself.
pay attention to his words; not those of others.

it's what it's all about.


elg

Now that Obama has thrown Rev. Wright under the bus for real, is the good reverend going to disappear or come back swinging?

Also, the church teaches a "black liberation theology". Is Obama going to throw his CHURCH of 20 years under the bus as well?

Derrick from Philly

I agree with Taylor.

Also, there are some things which are meant for black folks' ears only. The Reverend Wright had no idea that one of his congregation would one day run for president of the United States of KKK America. He will never apologize or retract. Obama's Campaign should have known that, and had a better plan to deal with the inevitable coming of the Reverend Wright sermons.

What y'all gonna' do if Barack still wins the nomination anyway? Have him beat Reverend Wright with a baseball bat, "say you love America!" "say you love America!"

And don't think they won't go after possible presidential nominee Hillary Clinton in every ruthless way they can think of. NO, they have NOT used everything they have against her...not yet. Let's see if y'all can defend her with the same vigor with which some of y'all have attacked Barack Obama.

Months ago, I was accused of wanting the usual "safe, white, Southern male" as the Democratic nominee, and that accusation helped to open my mind and become an Obama "queen". Well, my mind is closing again.


Damn, maybe I don't care about having a McCain presidency any more. I don't hate Hillary Clinton, but some of her supporters make me want to wish ill against her. I'll try to control that feeling, and keep my Snake Root and John the Conqueror in my kitchen closet.

Rod Mc

TO EVERYONE: No personal attacks on the candidates, please.

DERRICK: We have to go through this election together, so please, let's keep our hearts and minds open. I've read your comments over the past year, and indeed you have made a huge journey. But this is not over for Obama, so keep on supporting him. :)

McCain would be horrible, we have three Supreme Court justices that are about to retire, plus two wars, and, I'm sure his VP would have a lock on the next presidency. He would probably be worse than Bush, if that is possible.

Clinton just said yesterday (again) that she wants all Democrats to vote for the Democratic nominee. I will enthusiastically support either her or Obama as the nominee, this is too important.

Franklyn Smith

Derrick, you make some excellent points. There is no reason for anyone to glee, and as a Hillary supporter (and a black and Latino man), there is no pleasure in experiencing this ugly race soap opera. I wish the Rev. Wright the best, and, never wanted him to reappear. My hope is for the candidates to focus on the issues.

I can't say who started what, but I do remember many Obama supporters across the net and on this blog arguing that Rev. Wright should be able to clear his name. Rod had even wrote several times that the good reverend should not go on tour and a number of people were quite aggressive in arguing otherwise, saying the Rev. Wright was "taken out of context" and misunderstood. We all see that was wrong. Nothing was taken out of context.

Now, if I may beg to differ on one point: The Republicans and media have "thrown everything they have" at Hillary Clinton. They've been doing it for 15 or 16 years, lol, and, truth be told, now many "Democrats" are joining in what was once a strictly Republican sport. There really isn't anything new to throw at her, most of the current drama are rehashes of the 90s or some campaign gaffe like Bosnia. That's why many of us like her. No matter what you say or do, throw at her, count her out ... Clinton is still standing. That's why I personally think she would make a strong nominee and good president. But if its Obama I will support him.

malik m.l. williams

What Taylor Siluwé said.
And, god, especially what Marcus Santora said.

I don't like Hillary Clinton (her public persona, anyway; i can't claim to know her personally). I'm merely disappointed in Barack Obama. And not because of anything Jeremiah Wright said or did, but because of how Obama handled the whole situation.

I've been familiar with Jeremiah Wright for the past 20 years too. I'm not a member of his church, nor did i live in Chicago, so i've only seen him preach periodically (25 or 30 times) over those years. Yet nothing he's said in the past week has seemed out of character to me. That leads me to believe Barack Obama's protestations are disingenuous. Politically necessary, certainly. But my attraction to him was because i believed in his message of "not politics as usual."

I will support Barack Obama throughout the remainder of his candidacy. If that is all the way to the White House, wonderful. If that is only until next Wednesday, so be it. But none of the remaining candidates (save Ron Paul) come close to inspiring the kind of hope for this country that Barack Obama did and still does. Change can be painful; through pain can come enlightenment. But only for the willing...

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"To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence."
– Friedrich Nietzche

TheRevKev

ROD.

I COMPLETELY AGREE. I LIKE OBAMA FOR POWERFUL AND POIGNANT REASONS AND AM SUPPORTING HIM. I AM NOT FIGHTING AGAINST CLINTON AND IF SHE IS THE NOMINEE, I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR HER (THOUGH I MIGHT STRUGGLE WITH WORKING ON HER BEHALF, BUT KNOWING ME, I WILL).

I AM FOR A MCCAIN-FREE AMERICA AND ANOTHER TERM OF APATHY AND DISCONNECTION FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

I AM A DEMOCRAT FOR EDUCATED AND SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE REASONS AND THERE I STAND, WITH OBAMA OR CLINTON, WITH THE PARTY AND THE DETERMINED NOMINEE.

I AM FLOORED BY THE LEVELS OF ATTACKS ON OBAMA BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS GOT TO OWN THAT SOMEONE PUT THE CLIPS OF WRIGHT FROM 7 YEARS AGO ONLINE AND MADE THEM AN ISSUE. SOMEONE PURPOSED TO MAKE ISSUES OUT OF THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM (HIS WIFE, HIS PASTOR, HIS "ASSOCIATES") BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING CONNECTED TO HIM DIRECTLY AND THAT'S JUST DIRTY POLITICS. I HOPE THAT THAT SOMEONE WASN'T ON THE CLINTON TEAM. THERE ARE DAYS THAT I REALLY THINK IT WAS THE REPUBLICANS IN ORDER TO PUSH CLINTON AS THE NOMINEE, KNOWING THAT IN THE HEARTS OF HEARTS OF MOST AMERICANS, THEY ARE NOT READY FOR A WOMAN PRESIDENT AND NOT THIS WOMAN AS PRESIDENT, ESPECIALLY.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I AM A DEMOCRAT ALL THE DAY!

AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS HEARTY AND VORACIOUS ONGOING DIALOGUE!

blkbandit

whats more narcisstic? defending your good name and reputation or running for president in smug denial and on a glib platform of unity and change. only an elitist and out of touch "liberal" black man would feel his flimsy credentials can get him to the white house. atleast clarence thomas knows where he stands on things as a conservative. carter g woodson would be having a field day with obama right now

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