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29 October 2008

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MTM

THAT IS THE TRUTH

where were these CHURCH LEADERS when our men and women were dyeing? where have they been during this gang madness? and crack cocaine wars?

if they were not leading then they ARE NOT LEADING NOW

Carlin

Reverend Lee is an example of a strong, black man and a leader who follows his conscience. Judge not lest the be judged. this message needs to be heard because for to long our sistahs and brothers have been lead astray by these false prophets better known as black mega-chutrch pastors. they will put money and a microphone before the word of god any day.

Vern

"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival..." ~United States Supreme Court (Loving v. Virginia) June 12, 1967 In 1967 when the U.S. Supreme Court legalized interracial marriage everywhere in the U.S. 72% of the US population were outraged. "Everyone knew" that two people of different races could not have "normal" children. It was even suspected that mixed race babies would be sterile, like Mules. "This type of legal marriage must be forbidden," said the Republican senator from Wisconsin, “simply because natural instinct revolts at it as wrong.” Lawyers for California insisted that a ban on this type of marriage is necessary to prevent “traditional marriage from being contaminated by the recognition of relationships that are physically and mentally inferior,” and entered into by “the dregs of society.” Legal recognition of interracial marriages would offend tradition, God, the sensibilities of the majority, and the natural order. All the while threatening conventional marriage, children, and the future of our civilization. Sound familiar? No on 8

abel

I am really curious as to how allow gays to marry causes the decline of morality; that's nonsense. Again, everyone points to the Bible as stating homosexuality as being wrong; however, the Bible states many things are wrong, including passing judgment on others. I am incredulous at the thought that any human on this earth has the God given power believes he or she speaks for God, let alone has the right to pass judgment on others.You want a good dose of Christian morality? Let me give it to you.I am the child of a drug addict; I have had every rib broken, my nose broken countless times, my skull fractured, and my jaw broken. I have scars and burns that I can't even begin to explain. And where were the so called Christians? They were telling me I was filthy, telling their children not to associate with me, saying that I was going to be no better than my mother. When I was finally taken from my mother and sent to live with my grandparents, my grandmother met with the school principal, who assured her that my history would remain confidential. Instead, a school secretary thought it was her religious duty to inform her ward bishop about the awful child attending the school where the children from that ward went. I was asked to leave a church because of it when I was 11 because I wouldn't make it to Heaven anyway (Deut. 23:2), and they didn't want someone like me tarnishing their image.I had to deal with this hatred and bigotry the whole time I was growing up, and all because of a situation I had nothing to do with. The only thing that saved me was love, and it happened to come from a gay man. Yes, I was raised by a GAY MAN. And this person taught me that I worth something and to believe in myself. All the taunts of "You are going to be nothing but a drug addicted #### just like your mother" became meaningless, because he had the guts to believe in me, when all the so-called Christians didn't. I owe him my life.

ATL Kid

Marriage is a union blessed by God. End of argument. You "religious" nut cases have no business telling anyone what God thinks is sin or not. THAT'S the real sin. You are shameful, bible-thumping homobigots.

Devontae

wow that was powerful abel, thanks for shareing

Devontae

i meant SHARING, lol

anon

rod that is very funny you always criticize 'so called black leaderrs' and use quote marks. i guess it is like saying so called 'black gay leaders' right?

Rod Mc

ANON Look, if you're going comment, especially an attempt at sarcasm, please use a screen name. Oh and I never called myself a "black gay leader", I am just a journalist and blogger

Luther

The black church is doing more to destroy the black community than any other force, from the millionaires like Freddie Price with his Rolls Royce and big house on the ocean to the store fronts in South Central and Compton getting a few coins from the GOP and white "evangelicals" and doing nothing but shilling hates are disgusting.

Marriage has nothing to do with God or a church, its a government gig,taxes, too bad these folks don't know that, and, to latch onto the Mormon Church, even more amazing considering thier hate for blacks, gay, straight or other wise..

Just what are the ones who are pro-prop 8 doing for the black community and the myriad of issues that the church going straight folks have? Not one thing. But, to be fair, not all black pastors have this hate filled agenda.

TheRevKev

Rod.

Bravo for this post. We, as Black people, have GOT to keep biting the branches of hatred until all of this ugliness falls out. When black leaders are SO quick to get on the bandwagon with these hateful kinds of laws, I am saddened.

I am only 44 years old and in my own lifetime, marriage was the singular mountaintop of White men and women, together and alone. We have had to fight as Black folks to marry EACH OTHER. We have had to fight to marry someone outside of our race, because have been perceived to be less than. We know that pain and patriarchal audacity of the ways that marriage has been used against us and destroyed/separated families and the like.

I am sickened by Prop 8 and the black church's role in its passing.

But I am proud indeed of this Man of God standing up and speaking out!

MAYBE THIS WILL FINALLY MAKE US, AS BLACK GAY MEN, STAND UP AND SCREAM LOUD AGAINST PEOPLE WHO CONTINUE, FROM INSIDE OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY, TO TRY TO ACT AS THOUGH WE ARE SOME VILE CREATION THAT THEY CAN LEGISLATE, PRAY OR SCARE AWAY.

WOW, I HAVEN'T SAID THIS SINCE THE EARLY 1980s WHEN I WAS YOUNG QUEEN, MARCHING IN DC PRIDES AND GETTING INTERVIEWED ABOUT BEING GAY AND LOVING GOD:


WE'RE HERE!

WE'RE QUEER!

GET USED TO IT!....AND BLESS YOU!
(Said in the tone of Whoopi Goldberg's Sister Mary Clarence in Sister Act!)

TheRevKev

P.S.

I am so sick of Christians misquoting the Bible.

GENESIS 2:23 and 24 says
(THIS IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND)

"The man said 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman' for she was taken out of man. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh."

(MAY THE LORD ADD A BLESSING TO THE READING OF GOD'S WORD)

Maybe someone else sees this as well, but people always say that GOD MADE A MAN FOR A WOMAN AND THE LAW SAYS THAT A MAN AND A WOMAN ARE A MARRIAGE.

But God didn't say that. Adam did.
Why would God "create" a law that would have ADAM and EVE leave PARADISE upon their meeting. The scripture says that FOR THIS REASON A MAN WILL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER...and GOD WAS HIS ONLY FATHER AND ONLY MOTHER! It's a stupid misquoting of the power of why God put these two people together.

Someone got it wrong and we keep building on this same misnomer.

They used it against black people.

They used it against people of all races who loved each other.

They use it today to keep gays and lesbians from the protection that should be due to any citizen of this great nation.

FOR THIS REASON, I FIGHT!

ATL Kid

You'd better preach Rev Kev!

JOSEPH

What we are talking about here is the right for two unrelated adults to make a loving commitment called marriage!! That should be nobody else's business and whilst a man & woman have legal rights to go with their marriage so should two women or two men. You want to protect marriage? So ban divorce, not marriage bewteen gay people. Prop 8 is anti - marriage ! It's Ironic!! God help this country.Prop 8 may not take away the right for people to love but it takes away two adults rights to make a marital commitment to one another. Marriage is a sacred commitment between two unrelated adults who unite in love and make a commitment to love and honour each other. What should define marriage is the fact that it is a commitment between two consenting adults whether one man one woman or two men or two women because the fact of the matter is that whilst aprox 90 % of the world's population is straight, about 10 % is gay. It is a nutural inborn sexual orienation, to be either homosexual or hetrosexual, both are natural and inborn! This nonsense argument saying that next people will want to marry siblings is absurd, what a 1 brain celled argument. Clearly that is incest, and as for the adult child argument also incest, and a child can not consnent. What we are talking about here is the right for two unrelated adults to make a loving commitment called marriage!! That should be nobody else's business.

Young

....we, as Black people, have GOT to keep biting the branches of hatred until all of this ugliness falls out. When black leaders are SO quick to get on the bandwagon with these hateful kinds of laws, I am saddened....

THANK YOU REV KEV!!!!

yOu always have to look at the source. who are the people promotimng and funding this proposition? as the reverend lee said, it is the same people who originally said blacks would not go to heaven and maintained this dogma for many generations, the mormons only gave it up because it became socially unacceptable.

but now it is socialy acceptable to be homophobic and antigay. of course black people have learned nothing fro our many years of being discriminate dagainst and kept on the back of the bus. smh

Mel Smith

abel, thanks for sharing those powerful words. You are a blessing.

If I am correct, God want us to beware of false prophets. Many of those 'ministers' are phony and self serving.

ff

Thanks again for the story Rod and thanks for the link below for making a contribution to No on Prop 8.

I encourage all Rod 2.0 readers to make a donation to help defeat this bill.

Byron

I am a straight black man who sometimes reads this blogs my cubemates are mostly gay industry types who swear by this blogs. I have a lot of gay friends and the ones who have children are WONDERFUL parents. I strongly agree with and support equal rights and marriage for gays. Their sexual preference does not have an affect on me or anyone else. People who oppose gay rights/marriage are the bigot, racist, uninformed types. (which sadly is quite a lot of people) Good luck my brothers

luke a.

Rod please do me the favor of addressing this comment as it is pertains to your post. It is wrong. There are a number of factually errors in the post such as the common stereotype mormons are 'racist.' There is nothing 'racist' about mormons, anyone is allowed into their church and anyone is allowed to serve. I'm not sure why you continue to demonize the church but these stereotypes are not true. Mormons did not believe in slavery and mormons have never said blacks were cursed. yes there were some literal interpretations of the scriptures but what church doesn't have some degree of fundamentalism. I am not upset only surprised you would say this again and again. Please cite facts. Thank you.

Collins

Luke that Mormon kool-aid must be mighty strong up there in Salt Lake City.

But we know the church's history. The church taught Blacks were cursed hence their dark skin and were not allowed to be priests or even allowed into most temples until 1978. But you keep telling yourself that fable.

luke a.

Collins, sir, the comment was not addressed to you sir. The comment was specifically addressed to the blog author who has made numerous factually errors in this blog on mormons.
There is no rule against entering a mormon church, no matter who you are, in fact, everything Mormon chruch has a sign in front of it that says VISITORS WELCOME.

and I am not in Salt Lake City, sir or in Utah.

Grant

I am so astounded by people who claim to know so much about the biblical definition of marriage; marriage in the Old Testament was about property rights. Wives were property. And in many countries throughout history, and even some today, marriages were arranged based on family wealth and status, and had nothing to do with love.Gay marriage does nothing to threaten straight marriage. NOTHING. If straight people want to really protect the sanctity of marriage, then they need to look at themselves, instead of finding a scapegoat in the gay community.

Collins

Luke my Mormon friend, let me quote from the article.

"Not only did guards at the main entrance to the huge church misdirect reporters before the news conference, when Jacobs and Lee attempted to enter the main gates - where a sign said "Visitors Welcome" - the guard told them to go to a smaller church five blocks away where "they" were waiting to accept the petition. Assuming that meant Church officials, Jacobs and Lee, with a few reporters in tow, walked to a back entrance."

So you were saying?

Jose Martine

Anyone who would support such a discriminatory propostion, especially black or latino people, is reprehinsible!

Norm C

It would be great if marriage were just a religious union and didn't carry legal significance, spousal rights, insurance and inheritance rights, etc, but it does. That's what makes it inherently unfair. If we lived in a society where marriage was JUST a sacrament and civil unions dictated legal standing for all couples regardless of orientation, it would be fair, however, that isn't the case. So, it IS about equality and not so much about one group "forcing" its beliefs on another. And let's face it, many if not most heterosexual couples don't take marriage seriously, either, as evidenced by statistics which indicate huge dysfunctionalism at best in heterosexual marriage (divorce, out of wedlock births, adultery, etc). I think another poster got it right when he stated that those who oppose marriage on religious grounds are using it as an excuse to expose their prejudices. If the state should have no decision involving religious matters, logic would indicate a religious sacrament such as marriage, as you call it, should not have carry legal entitlement, but it does. You can't have it both ways.The Canadians and many western European countries have recognized gay marriage.

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