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29 January 2009


Derrick from Philly

I know that if members of the Obama Administration speak out against this African (and Eastern European & Caribbean) idiosy--that it will only make the idiots angry and stubborn, but they are already angry and stubborn. So, Obama, Clinton or the NEW & IMPROVED Dr Rice have to say something. My only fear is that Gay Africans will suffer even more--so we should appreciate hearing from Gay Africans first before putting pressure on Obama.


derrick i agree. if the "west" is seen as punishing african nations because of their laws on gays, it will only embolden them. look at jamaica and the jamaican government delights when england, canada and other countries get tough. it fulfills their argument that homosexuality is from the corrupt euro-centric countries and america.

i hope the new white house (with a black president!) can help, even if it is just a little by. maybe using carrot instead of stick

Kevin Perez

What would be a great way to aruge that the beleif homosexuality is a product European Imperalisim is pure BS?

I feel sorry for many of you. Many strongly believe there are Black LGBT because you've all given into the White Man's society and immorality 'cuz there were no gays Africans before and Africans were always moral, or so they say. Wow, I'm wondering how would you defend yourselves when these claims are made by Rastas, Christians, Muslims and the Hip Hop generation and sometimes, the community as a whole.

It's scary, 'cuz most of them sound convincing about gay blacks = victim of white man's oppression, colonalisim and slavery.

And news like this really doesn't shock me any more. It sadly has become tired and quite predictable.


I totally agree with you Derrick. We do need to hear from our brothers and sisters in Africa. My biggest concern is that speaking out against homophobia could cost the brave soul his or her freedom at the least or their life in the worst case scenario. My heart goes out to our brothers and sisters who are oppressed in a way that many of us can't imagine.

On another note, it seems that almost every sgl African/Caribbean man I've encountered has something negative, bordering on hostile, to say about Black Americans or the state of black sgl people here in the states. This has happened without fail. Just the other day, a friend of mine had a horrible fight with his Island boyfriend after he made several disparaging remarks regarding Black Americans. The tone is always a bit condescending. I don't understand this attitude. Many of these brothers are so stuck-up, for lack of a better word, yet closeted at the same time that these conversations always leave me angry and confused. This has been my experience with these brothers whether they have been doctors or store clerks. I'm curious to see if any other Black Americans have experienced this and what actions can be taken so that black sgl people around the diaspora can recognize our common interest and eliminate some of the hostility, expressed or beneath the surface?

A. Martinez

Freeleo, I'm not sure is that only black gays from Africa and the Caribbean. I think it's just Africans and Caribbeans period, many of whom feel they are better than us because they weren't slaves. (Or at least most countries weren't) But their communities in the US have lower crime and they are usually better educated or more upwardly mobile (Colin Powell, Belafontes, etc) I think the demographics are changing and certainly Obama's election changes things, afgter all, his immediate ancestors were not slaves either, but from Kenya.


Their attitudes IMO generally come from the advantage of a superior primary education and big balls because they're the majority (excluding tribal issues). I've dated several. Carib folks were slaves though. Usually that's the extra rub for continental african men.

Kevin Perez

Derrick, I was aiming at the nonsensical blatherings of Rastas and ignorant Christans and Muslims.

I've come to accept the fact those of African descent have it the worst in this world. Even in the Spanish speaking Carribean and Latin America, you will find that LGBT Afro-Latinos are degraded to the fullest and ''abused'' by their respective LBGT Latino communities 'cuz of skin color and all the stereotypical things that are enforced on your brothas and sistas, who are already abused and treated like poo in larger Latin American society, who are despised by the people in North America and Europe. Racism and classism are other major factors as well.

Oh, let's not forget the self-hating Afro-Latinos and Mulatos (the ones who are ''White'' in Latin America) who rag on their LBGT kin 'cuz what's worse than being black is being black and gay or a lesbian or a tranny.

My heart goes out two LGBT Black folk every where. Rasta is making a come back in Latin America, so no doubt we're going to see a new generation of oppressed Blacks on the basis of sexual identiy. It's happening in Cuba.


I'd suggest "Boy-Wives and Female Husbands: Studies in African Homosexualities," edited by Stephen O. Murray & Will Roscoe (2001) for a look at how various African cultures have treated same-gender loving people.

Kevin Perez

Was the book made by a person (or group of people) of African descent because many would debunk it if the scholar and anybody else for White.


I'm African and gay living in Canada and have dated both african americans and black caribeans..While those relationships didn't last very long due to different reasons( long-distance, lack of acceptance of self and chemistry ;((..) I didn't think that it was because those guys were african american or caribean..I just looked at what didn't work out and processed it as such.I'm still close to some of them..I strongly believe that there are all kinds of people in every community(and each community has its history different than yours) and it's up to you to chose your attitude towards people you meet ..If you focus on the negative, you'll only see losers and if you dare to see the positive side..you'll meet the good guys...And to get back to the subject, I think we, African gay people have to come out and be visible and show that gays are here to stay and that only us can change this situation, it's not easy, but every little baby step forward from everyone counts!!!..Let's just be WHO WE ARE!!

Lee A

REGGIE'S suggestion excellent. Very informative book. Peace.

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