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02 September 2009

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Anthony in Nashville

Obama looks forward to a "showdown" with liberals but goes out of his way to appease Republicans? SMH.

TheObvious

Serious regret here. I'm speaking for myself only. I should have voted for Hillary after all.

Eddie B

-->The confrontation would allow Obama to show he is willing to stare down his own party to get things done.

What Anthony said. The Republicans refuse to vote for any bill. So he is going to water down health care to try to get one or two Republican votes?

And when this incremental change happen? When the Republican take over the House in 2012? That was the incentive to get it all done now.

Kevjack

What a crying shame. This is the "change" so many people voted for? This is the "leadership" we needed right now? It is now obvious that Obama is a political opportunist, and a fairly naive one at that. It was the liberal wing of the party that got the man elected. This is his thank you note. In case you didn't get the memo, the joke is on you.

As he did with Wright, his grandmother, wiretapping, DOMA, ENDA, and anything else that gets in the way of a "win" he throws them under the bus!! It is getting pretty crowded under there, soon Republicans will be the only ones walking around...

TheObvious

Correct Kevjack and the repubs will never ever ever like him. The only reason Obama won was because the liberals were on fire for him and the republicans were too ashamed to vote for another republican. Now its looking more and more like that'll be the case with the dems in 2012.

This next "major" speech better have the publican option or Obama can kiss my ass goodbye.

The sad thing is is that I worked for him during the election. All of my Hillaryite friends will probably high five each other knowing how disappointed I am with Obama. Hope? Nope.

ReggieH

Wrong, wrong and wrong! Health care 'reform' would be pointless without the Public Option. I suggest we flood the White House with e-mails and calls demanding that he stand firm on his campaign promises.

Kevjack

@ TheObvious

"Big Speeches" are all we get from this man! I'm tired of hearing them. His words have become increasingly worthless to me. The speeches got a lot of people in the campaign, but with unemployment so high and the Prez backpeddling on every single issue people will start tuning out. The same thing happened with Bush once the public stopped trusting him. If Obama keeps on this path, the public trust will be gone by 2010, and you can forget a second term.

1911bruh

Although I am disappointed by the Obama's handling of his entire administration to date, I cannot say I (or we) didn't have warning about his fascination to win, sadly, at any cost.

With that said, it is now up to us to ensure that issues important to us aren't put out to pasture.

soulbrotha

I will wait for the smoke to clear before I pass judgment. Reading the article, I'm still not convinced that Obama is dismissing the public option. If anything, it just seems like political posturing before passing the bill he basically wanted in the first place. Hmm.

RC

Ummm...why are you all so caught up on a Public Option when only 10 million people will be covered by it and not until 2019? Please. This is just the extreme left having a whining fest cuz Obama ain't bring *change* quick enough. Did you all really believe Obama was the Messiah and would bring Heaven on earth by the snap of his fingers? Obama is governing EXACTLY like his campaign. Governing is hard ish. When you have $9 trillion of debt staring in front of you, you can't just add new government programs. The fact is that the fiscal mismanagement by the last 5 presidents will cause Obama to drastically limit his domestic ambitions, at least during a first term. Anyway, I wish you all would wake up.

Aaron Parker

Kevjack, 1911 and TheObvious are all on the money.

Obama doesn't need to stare down his own party, he needs to stare down the opposition. The Republicans are the opposition right? Or are we still (ahem) "post partisan"?

jacksmith

NO CO-OP'S! A Little History Lesson

Young People. America needs your help.

More than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a single payer system 77% of all Americans want a strong government-run public option on day one (86% of democrats, 75% of independents, and 72% of republicans). Basically everyone.

According to a new AARP POLL: 86 percent of seniors want universal healthcare security for All, including 93% of Democrats, 87% of Independents, and 78% of Republicans. And 79% of seniors support creating a new strong Government-run public option plan, available immediately. Including 89% of Democrats, 80% of Independents, and 61% of Republicans, STUNNING!! Senator Max Baucus, You better come out of committee with a strong government-run public option available on day one.

The History:

Our last great economic catastrophe was called the Great Depression. Then as now it was caused by a reckless, and corrupt Republican administration and republican congress. FDR a Democrat, was then elected to save the nation and the American people from the unbridled GREED and profiteering, of the unregulated predatory self-interest of the banking industry and Wallstreet. Just like now.

FDR proposed a Government-run health insurance plan to go with Social Security. To assure all Americans high quality, easily accessible, affordable, National Healthcare security. Regardless of where you lived, worked, or your ability to pay. But the AMA riled against it. Using all manor of scare tactics, like Calling it SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!! :-0

So FDR established thousands of co-op's around the country in rural America. And all of them failed. The biggest of these co-op organizations would become the grandfather of the predatory monster that all of you know today as the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance industry. And the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare industry.

This former co-op would grow so powerful that it would corrupt every aspect of healthcare delivery in America. Even corrupting the Government of the United States.

This former co-op's name is BLUE CROSS/BLUE SHIELD.

Do you see now why even the suggestion of co-op's is ridiculous. It makes me so ANGRY! Co-op's are not a substitute for a government-run public option.

They are trying to pull the wool over our eye's again. Senators, if you don't have the votes now, GET THEM! Or turn them over to us. WE WILL! DEAL WITH THEM. Why do you think we gave your party Control of the House, Control of the Senate, Control of the Whitehouse. The only option on the table that has any chance of fixing our healthcare crisis is a STRONG GOVERNMENT-RUN PUBLIC OPTION.

An insurance mandate and subsidies without a strong government-run public option choice available on day one, would be worse than the healthcare catastrophe we have now. The insurance, and healthcare industry have been very successful at exploiting the good hearts of the American people. But Congress and the president must not let that happen this time. House Progressives and members of the Tri-caucus must continue to hold firm on their demand for a strong Government-run public option.

A healthcare reform bill with mandates and subsidies but without a STRONG government-run public option choice on day one, would be much worse than NO healthcare reform at all. So you must be strong and KILL IT! if you have too. And let the chips fall where they may. You can do insurance reform without mandates, subsidies, or taxpayer expense.

Actually, no tax payer funds should be use to subsidize any private for profit insurance plans. So, NO TAX PAYER SUBSIDIES TO PRIVATE FOR PROFIT PLANS. Tax payer funds should only be used to subsidize the public plans. Healthcare reform should be 100% for the American people. Not another taxpayer bailout of the private for profit insurance industry, disguised as healthcare reform for the people.

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wondermann

Uh, He has not dropped it yet. Why are folks jumping the gun?

TheObvious

Hey Parker, I was wrong about one thing and that was saying I should have voted for Hillary. With the news of partying contractors in Afghanistan and being reminded about the continuation of Blackwater and other private contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan, I realized that H. Clinton is responsible for this bull.

Can we have any faith in our government?

TheObvious

RC

Sources for this claim "only 10 million people will be covered by it and not until 2019?", please.

And give me a break on the Republican talk noise. Simply raising taxes on people making over 300 thousand and ending the unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could just as easily pay for the public option, medicare, and start the reduction of the current deficit.

But I guess thats too radical leftist, huh?

I wish you'd give me less than four things about Obama to commend him about.

RC

Raising taxes on everyone making over $300K is not going to pay for this. And, it's not good economics to raise taxes during a recession anyway. Plus, it was the non-partisan CBO that said that only 10 million would be covered by the Public Option as passed already by the House. So, like I said, why are you and everyone bitching and moaning about a program that is only going to cover at most 10% of people in this country.

And, while I agree the wars in Iraq and Afganistan should end, that's not going to happen in the near future. Plus, Obama actually campaigned on RAMPING up the Afghan war. But, I guess you along with others were seeing angels and stars around Obama's head when he ran instead of actually listening to him and observing his actions.

Obama is the ultimate pragmatist. He knows the American people will turn on him and the Democrats if they pass anything that will add to the national debt. Disbelieve that at your peril. But, I'm not worried because Obama ain't no fool.

TheObvious

What are you talking about RC, Angels and Stars around his head? I never seen that. I first saw him as a pragmatist but now I'm seeing that hes simply another politician bought and paid for by corporations through and through.

Obama is a compromiser. Albeit one that mostly compromises for corporations and banks.

Anways, I think its a complete waste arguing with you. It looks like the only one here whos seeing stars and angels around Obama's head is you. And thats OBVIOUS to everyone but you.

RC

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1911bruh

RC,

The public option goes far beyond just providing healthcare for the masses. By implementing the public option, you automatically infuse much needed competition in the healthcare market. Currently, the top health care providers control the market. Period.

Also, by not implementing the public option, there is no incentive for insurers to add more services and accept those with existing medical conditions. In fact, without it, our premiums may increase and services decrease.

Why do you think the insurance lobby is so adamant about blocking the public option, but not other aspects of health reform? Because, they realized that if the public option fails they will benefit the most because several of the other options on the table will require the government to provide subsidies to existing insurers to offset the costs to consumers. Basically, the companies will reap large paychecks and the people will still have to deal with the big 5 insurers.

Nathan James

As an interesting historical side note, the NHS in the United Kingdom was created in 1948. If it was a horrible a system as the right wing's scare tactics would have us believe, the Brits have had 61 years to vote it out of existence. But NHS is still there. In fact, like Canada's "NHS lite", socialized medicine is one thing EVERY member of Parliament and the PM knows not to mess with.

As for single-payer health care being "socialist" here, (Or any real "public option" for that matter) just look at some of the other services your government provides, free of charge (other than tax levy): Police, Fire, Sanitation, public libraries, education, streets, in NYC, the government even operates transport services for free (The Staten Island Ferry). Yet, no one has suggested that these services be taken away or turned into for-profit businesses. Imagine if your fire department billed you for putting out a fire in your house, with a separate surcharge for each human and pet rescue! Imagine further if it could "deny your claim"--refuse to put your fire out--because your house was too old, or in arrears, or had some other "pre-existing condition". That's the healthcare system we live with today.

Obama needs to hear the 186,000,000 Americans who have said repeatedly that single-payer is the cure for the ills of our healthcare system. The President ignores these cries for true reform at his political peril.

Toddy

If he does not go through with the public option then he can kiss a second term good bye. This issue is the ultimate reason why I voted for him.

It was either him or Hillary RACIST Clinton.

Otherwise I am totally disillusioned by this country now. All the racism, hatred, and animosity on the political scene makes me not even want to vote...

DFS

The sad reality is that our government is controlled by powerful corporate lobbyists. Corporate lobbyists put money in politicians pockets on both sides of the aisle.

And for those of you thinking Clinton would have been better, she was also for the bankruptcy reform act before she was against it...that bill was lobbied for heavily by credit card companies and banks. And being as hawkish on foreign policy as Obama, we would still be in this Afghanistan quagmire.

The only true progressive the democrats offered up in 2008 was Dennis Kucinich, and he didnt have a shot. As Bill Maher said, we have a center right party and a party in the insane asylum.

As things stand now, I will be supporting a third party candidate in 2012. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

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