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30 November 2009

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Tony DR

WOW. I'm almost speechless on this one.

Chitown Kev

So the Obama Administration can't take a position on whether a country should pass GENOCIDAL legislation into law?

I'm sorry for those of you that would support ANYTHING that this President's Administration says and does simply because he is black but...I guess you didn't hear me, let me say it again.

WHITE CHRISTIAN GROUPS are behind and supporting this Ugandian law that would commence a genocide of black gays, lesbians, and transpeople. This is good old fashioned colonialism at it's finest.

But no word from our President. SMH

Derrick from Philly

So, all over Africa there are puppets...dangerous puppets, but nevertheless, puppets.

CHITOWN KEV,

now, you know I can support this President's Administration without supporting EVERYTHING they do. This is cowardly on the part of the Obama Administration, and I'm glad they are being embarrassed in the national media over it.

Africa is in a continuing nightmare of a mess, but this shows us that it certainly aint all Africans' doing.

DaRealistOne

Speak tha truth Chitown Kev...

I don't know about some of ya'll but all this SILENCE speaks VOLUMES!!!

I mean somebody's ears should be popping by now, and that's real talk.

Do you realize there is legislation about to pass that will KILL black gays and lesbians??

NO PROOF WILL BE NEEDED!
JUST A SIMPLE ACCUSATION AND THEIR LIVES WILL BE GONE IN AN INSTANT!

People who DON'T TELL will be imprisoned!

OMG... I can't believe that this is acutally happening to people.
And to actually think that we have leaders who "claim" to support human rights and beg us for our vote and "promise" that we'll have equality to turn right around and do absolutely NOTHING...

Man... I hope somebody is listening.

TheRevKev (Elder Kevin E. Taylor)

THIS IS VILE!

A Christian says he can't take a side on a law that says KILL SOMEONE! The Word says THOU SHALL NOT KILL. By being a Christian, YOU HAVE ALREADY TAKEN A SIDE BECAUSE YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU BELIEVE IN THE TEACHINGS OF CHRISTIANITY!

This is some BULLSH*( and President Obama better say something to condemn this and SOON! This is a policy that is going to have repercussions around the world because it should NOT take a long time to stand up against ignorance and hate! We are in other countries because we say that we are the hub of decency!

It's time to stop paying taxes or something. If we are going to get the GAY TREATMENT IN AMERICA, which means LESS THAN RIGHTS, then we should get to pay LESS THAN TAXES! We can't serve in the military, can't marry and can't adopt in many states; in some our jobs are in jeopardy, and in meeting our lives! FORGET A MARCH! IT'S TIME FOR A RADICAL RESPONSE!

As for Rick Warren, this is ignorance personified. As a man of God, this man and his ministry do missionary work around the world and try to teach the edicts of Christianity. When are we going to start holding these people accountable for the TOP 10!? I refuse to be made to defend being gay when Christians continue to be silent ON ADULTERY FROM THE PULPIT, LYING (BEARING FALSE WITNESS) FROM LEADERS and NOT STANDING UP BASIC RIGHTS! Damn you Rick Warren for not being able to say, as a man of God, without pause, I STAND UP UNEQUIVOCALLY AGAINST THE EXECUTION OF ANYONE! "THOU SHALL NOT KILL!" To not be able to stand up for the basics is to not be able to stand up for the real truth of Christianity!

DAMN YOU TO HELL RICK WARREN FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO BE A MAN OF GOD. IN THIS MOMENT, WHAT JESUS WOULD DO IS APPARENT, EASY AND DOCUMENTED!!!!

ENOUGH OF THESE WEAK-MINDED AND POLITICAL-MINDED PREACHERS WHO ARE REALLY PIMPING FAVOR WITH POLITICIANS!

UGH!!!!!!!!! I need to beat him with a Bible. This is insane! YOU DON'T GET TO BE THE JUDGE OF OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES! The laws of a land might say one thing but we as preachers are called to a different and higher standard and this lukewarm, half-assed, passive aggressive stance!

UGANDA'S LEADER IS WRONG FOR THIS POLICY AND WE CANNOT STAND STILL AND LET PEOPLE'S LIVES BE AGAINST THE LAW!

WOE TO YOU, YOU VILE HYPOCRITE (That's the Book of Matthew and yes, Jesus said it!)

Jason Barnes

to the first comment made. DO not bash the President. First off think about if you were the first black presdent and how many times you still have o keep your mouth shut. He is between a rock and a very hard place. Also may i add that our community needs to think in extreme boycotts and reformations of what we involve ourselves in and what we put our money towards. Honestly there needs to be a serious action caucus of gay cap.hill. memembers and workers in which they are acting as driving forces for this movement. I live in DC and I find that we do have that power, but also so many have been lost by the glitz of the communtiy. LIke african americans in the 60's, we need to truely be angry and rally, rally, rally under a true equality platform, that is detailed yet simple enough to reach the most ignorant of plebs. Moreover we need to reach both the youth and the elderly and pound into the minds of the baby boomers the reality of this and rremind them of the equality marches of their youth and why that spirit and conviction are relevant to today. we must walk fearless. honestlyas much as i love Obama, he is not gay and will never know what pressures and power that wields. Extreme and unconventional measures need tobe taken. Doing things by the book is no longer an option anymore, because this fight is now completely off the books. These genocidal legislations are Nazi Stalin reverberations of carnal hate and controlled fear infect the public into submission only later to force women into the homes, and all people of color disposed of or domesticated. The only ones to survive are hetero white males and their women until they pull each other apart, as the barbarians of western europe did up until the 1400's AD. Everyone should be more disturbed by the ripple effects of the government sanctioned genocide.

Greg G

Interesting. I remember Derrick and many others saying Obama "needed" Rick Warren to keep the "red states and evangelicals" happy.

Newsflash....The evangelicals did not support and do not support Obama. But unfortunately Democrats, blacks, gays and most black gays gave Obama a pass on Warren. (Rod and Pam notable exceptions, but many of you slammed them on that too) People here weren't even upset when Bush was funding gay genocide in Uganda, you were not upset when Warren was funding and supporting Prop 8, you were not upset when Warremn spoke at Ebenezer and many of you thought him at the inauguration was a good thing.

Rev Kev, ChiTown Kev, Realist and others are right. Too many of you were silent for too long. Your apathy or silence encouraged this. The shame is the blacks and black gays repeatedly give Warren and Obama a free pass on everything and now look what we have ... a government too cowardly to speak out on anti gay violence for fear of upsetting 'Christians' smh

Condemn wrong no matter WHO does it!

Derrick from Philly

"I remember Derrick and many others saying Obama "needed" Rick Warren to keep the "red states and evangelicals" happy."

THen YOu gotta' bad memory, Greg G. THIS Derrick said that Obama kept relations with the evangelicals like Warren to keep the evangelicals from passionately rising up against him and coming out to the polls in large numbers. And on November 8, 2008-- it looked like it f..kin' worked!

I don't mind being challenged, but I'm one evil yella' b-tch if you lie on me (just ask Ms Cunty...I mean, Canty and her alter ego Miss Shady Pee)

Evangelicals supporting a black Democrat? Give me a little more credit than that.

Chitown Kev

@Jason Barnes

Negro, please.

I EXPECT my President (no matter what race he is) to condemn laws in other countries that sanction genocide. I expect my President to use political rhetoric, economic sanctions, military action or all 3 to condemn GENOCIDE. Clinton at least did that with Rawanda (though he should have done more) and with Bosnia and Kosovo.

@Greg G- What's REALLY sad and extremely disgusting is that on huffington post I see black Christian homophobes giving Warren a pass on this as well and trying to derail the discussion of a possible black gay genocide in AFRICA that is being backed by WHITE PEOPLE into a discussion about gay marriage.

Actually, it's OK, nice to know where I REALLY stand with them.

Isis

Bravo RevKev!! This is so shocking and I'm about to BLOW the ROOF off my workplace. I am going to start a conversation about this and hopefully change some minds (if necessary).

Greg G

@ Derrick: "And on November 8, 2008-- it looked like it f..kin' worked!"

No, dear heart. I'm talking about AFTER the election. We all were on the same side versus Mccain remember? And stop impying that anyone who criticizes/d our president did not want him to win or wants a republican. My main concern about Obama during the primaries was that he would cut deals with Republicans and be too eager to please them and not stand against them. What have we seen so far?

The probably I specifically have is that so many Democrats, black people and black LGBTs actively encouraged all this. When Obama embraced Rick Warren AFTER the election, so many of you said it was a "good thing". You kept talking about evangelical and red state support ... for an election four years away. You criticized Rod, Pam and the other top gay bloggers for sounding the alarm... sheesh, Rod had been talking about Uganda and Warren for about two years. Some of you even rationalized Warren at Ebenezer and criticized the black LGBTs who opposed him.

Now you all are concerned. What is there to do now? It's too late.

I voted for Obama, I donated to Obama. But I'm not giving Obama or the Dems a dime until they move on some of our rights and do something about the problem they helped create in Uganda. The leader of the free world and his entire administration silent on executions of gay men? This is BS.

Greg G

Again, props to Rev Kev, Realist, ChiTown and most definitely Rod who has been talking about this since ... 2006 or 2007?

Are black people going to be silent while our black president ignores executions in Africa? What about black LGBTs? Are we going to say or do anything while more gay men are killed in Africa with OUR TAX MONEY?

GRANT

>>>"Are black people going to be silent while our black president ignores executions in Africa? What about black LGBTs? Are we going to say or do anything while more gay men are killed in Africa with OUR TAX MONEY?

Yes, yes and no.
That's the sad truth.
Too much silence for too long and with the midterms coming up ... "we don't want to give the evangelicals and the Republicans any ammunition"

Black people and black gay men...SMDH

mjolnir202

This is sickening and revolting on a DNA level. We need to be writing our congresspeople and senators to take a stand on this. Gay issues is clearly the tarbaby of this administration and, yeah, I used that term on purpose. The Obama administration will do nothing unless there is pressure on them and media embarassment.

We have a so-called "Reverend" basically agreeing to state sanctioned murder. What's worse, is that this isn't even headline news in most of the MSM. Our lives are worth so little. I've heard nothing on black radio about this, but this morning there was heated discussion about whether the prince in the new Disney cartoon was black enough. You have to laugh not to cry. Of course, I expect nothing from black heterosexuals. Most would and do willingly turn a blind eye while we're killed.

Rowan

@ Greg G

Agree.

Mel Smith

There are a lot of Christians in the United States that supports killing gay people.

Miss Glock 40

Every GLBT person should own and know how to use a gun.

History Major

I'm still not understanding how any self respecting black gay man can continue following christianity.

It's pathological at this point.

dt

Rev Kev as usual you are ON POINT! Brother when are you going to stop playing around and move to my city and start a church I can attend?

James BArnes, girl I understand that we as black folk should support our president as we have never had this opportunity before but at the end of the day, black or white, he is a President first and foremost. To me, he stopped being the black president when he took office and just became the president who is responsible to up hold the bare basics of human rights and dignity. Gay men and women have the RIGHT to live and frankly the fact that he and his administration have remained silent on this bothers me very much. It bothers me the more that my tax dollars or going to a country that feel it is alright to support genocide...beyond me.

And side note, if I might digress for a minute. I closely follow black gay sites and commentary from Rod to loldarian.com, Keith Boykin and Jasmyne Cannik and one thing I've noticed is everything is taken from a black male point of view. Now this particular legislation is aimed not only at gay and trans men but also at gay and trans women. Yet folks completely dismiss gay women, like lesbians are not beat up, brutally assaulted, raped, maimed, and verbally abused just like the men. Yet we ignore our gay sisters by not even including them in this struggle for equality by not even mentioning them. Yes gay men do get scorned, to say the very least, in our society and from time to time the heterosexual male definition of lesbianism is praised but REAL gay women are suffering just like the men. I've just noticed that a lot lately. Sorry for the off topic rant in an inappropriate area but I think we need to keep our lesbian sisters included and not ignore them in our connected fight.

Clay

I am speechless and sick of this type of s..., I had to give this damn book to one of my friends for fire starter paper!

TheRevKev

DT...where is your city? I can surely make some plans to at least come!

dt

Hey RevKev, We're in Minneapolis. I'm not sure if you have connections to any churches up here. We have a few progressive churches however I'm not very familiar with any of them as I was born, raised and up until this year attended COGIC churches. Sooo, if you are planning to come as a visitor or what have you to one of the churches in MN any time soon, please keep me posted. I looked at your website and your's seems to be just the type of church I would like to attend so, just let me know bruh! :)

TheRevKev (Elder Kevin E. Taylor)

Wow, DT...MN?

Hmmmm, it's funny because I have a friend named Kevin Moore in MN. I will have to talk to him and maybe when the new book comes out, maybe I will have to do a speaking/book signing trip!!!

There are sermons on Facebook as well, so we'll work it out!

Thanks for the wonderful words!

dt

Thanks Rev. I'll look you up on Facebook and until I can find a new church home, and even after, I'll follow those. I'm sure i'll like what I see. Thanks again! :)

Steve in Birmingham

Never visited this site. Good comments. Short and simple: this is Fascism. Silence does not defeat evil. I am
hopeful Obama is merely crafting a superb response. In the meantime, as someone above plans, I will give no more $ to the National Dems. I also plan to boycott Las Vegas in opposition to the role of The Family and of Senator Ensign for this viscous, evil, and genocidal measure.

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