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30 November 2009

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Ken

This is sad news...I so look forward to having prop 8 overturned!!

Ken
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Whatuthink

Whatever.... Those white weho-ers need too reevaluate who is the majority against them. Their own color and hispanics that love so much but don't love them.

Chitown Kev

@whatuthink

Uh, us blacks lose out too and we KNOW that our majority is against us.

Just...please, spare me.

And it does seem that at least in our community, all of our POCs are kinda united, at least on this issue (and even in the realm of personal relationships; I met quite a few Latino and Asian LGBT activists that were angry at the racism thrown at the black community after Prop 8 passed)

Maybe we are on the way to achieving something that our straight counterparts can't even dream of.

Whatuthink

Chitown... I don't think you got what I was saying. I'm talking about voting population not who loosed out. There is only 10-12% blacks in California compared to it being almost even for whites and latinos. There isn't enough blacks to vote down the marriage proposal. It's the white/latinos who kept the marriage from being passed. Spare yourself.

Ravenback

Let's face some harsh realities here. Californians have already voted down gay marriage twice. I don't think the third time around would have been the charm. Unfortunately, there is a hardened 52-54 percent of the American people who oppose gay marriage. In every state that has taken the gay marriage issue to the voters, they have either voted gay marriage down or banned it altogether.

The idea of gay marriage provokes such a visceral reaction from people. When people are asked about it, they either are for it or against it with very few people sitting on the sidelines. People choose sides based on their own personal feelings and show no regard for rationality or legal concepts. This is why "the people" should never vote on civil rights issues.

Most civil rights issues were decided upon by the courts or the legislature. Segregation was ended by the Supreme Court. Anti-miscegenation laws were declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Even sodomy laws aimed at gay men having sex were declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. And the host of civil rights and voting rights laws that were passed by Congress. The voters never directly voted on any of these issues. If they had, many of these rights would have been further denied.

I don't pretend to know the solution to legalizing gay marriage. Perhaps we need to just keep taking those baby steps along the way by banning discrimination against LGBT, extending benefits to gay couples, strengthening the legal bonds of gay couples, and so on. Look at how much ground that has been covered over the last 40 years. At one time, I'm sure that over 80 percent of people were against gay marriage. As stated earlier, that number is now down to 52-54 percent. So there have been major advances made towards equality for LGBT Americans. But we still have a long way to go.

Chitown Kev

@whatuthink

Actually, I know exactly what you're baiting with that phrase "white weho-ers." I'm through with that for now (though I haven't forgotten about that racism). The politics of resentment are just a fail with me.

And in fact, my point still stands. After all, I really do wonder if Latinos liked all that hot mess that went on after Prop 8 last year? I know that quite a few gay Latinos in California did not appreciate that at all. And Latinos (unlike blacks) can make a big difference.

Actually, blacks only comprise 6-7% of the population of California.

Good points, Ravenback, as usual.

Mad Professah

California is approximately 6% Black (and dropping). Black people are OVER-represented in the electorate (usually) and may make up as much as 10% of the electorate in a huge turnout election (like November 2008).

Los Angeles County is about 10% Black.

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