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28 December 2009

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TheObvious

Some stuff, like the stop loss on DADT, I'm sure we can blame Obama on but on these other issues, what can the guy do? Round up those three senators and torture them into supporting progressive reforms? Unfortunately we're at the mercy of these folks and its the voters who put them there. Sad but true. So we're put in between a hard place and a rough place. Either status quo or a little change. The question we must ask ourselves is what do we want?

Danny Rivera

"Some stuff, like the stop loss on DADT, I'm sure we can blame Obama on but on these other issues, what can the guy do?"

It's called "leading". It means sometimes taking an unpopular position, sticking your neck out and taking some hits. It also means "telling" the party what direction to go in, rather than being "told". GW Bush and the Republicans LEAD. They lead this country into a ditch, but they had an agenda and they stuck to it. Same thing with Reagan.

Obama and the Democrats, not a so much. Everything is a compromise. I cannot recall an important issue where he hasn't backpedaled or severely compromised. And he fights for nothing "fiercely", besides his own nomination. He never fought for HCR or the public option, which leads me to believe he won't fight for climate and certainly not for gay rights. We're on our own there. If we do all the work, round up all the votes, he'll maybe sign ENDA .... but when could that be? Not in 2010 and if the Dems suffer any losses ... you think in 2011?

Ralph

>>Don't expect the Democrats to touch any controversial legislation for the next three years. That includes DADT, DOMA, ENDA, immigration, climate change or any of their other promisess

I wouldn't be surprised, especially on gay rights.

Oh yeah, the pattern is all too clear now after that trillion dollar bailout for health insurance.

It is what it is. Some of us hoped for more but the Dems have squandered their mandate. But they need to do something to rally the base for 2010. The GOP is revved up and ready to go. Hopefully the Dems can hold on to their majorities.

ReggieH

And here I was hoping Santa was going to deliver some damned backbone to the Dems for Christmas....

TheObvious

"It's called "leading". It means sometimes taking an unpopular position, sticking your neck out and taking some hits."

I get that Danny but look, what would be the use if you're going to lose anyway? All we'd see is Obama getting defeated over and over again and absolutely nothing getting accomplished. In a republican democracy with different branches of government along with checks and balances on each, there is only so much the leader in the executive branch can do.

GWB accomplished what he did because the republican party is simply a stronger party (not in terms of morality or ability but ability to persuade the masses. Plus the GOP is more united than the democratic party. You can't blame Obama for being the leader of a weaker party.

Really, tell me how Obama is going to make the conservative senators bow to his whims. Because there is only so much he can do. He could threaten them, he could bully them, but then they'd just withhold their vote. And when they're voted out of office, they'll just go into the private sector untouched and make millions more than what they made when in office.

Sad but true kids.

Rod Mc

"GWB accomplished what he did because the republican party is simply a stronger party (not in terms of morality or ability but ability to persuade the masses. Plus the GOP is more united than the democratic party. You can't blame Obama for being the leader of a weaker party. how Obama is going to make the conservative senators bow to his whims. Because there is only so much he can do. He could threaten them, he could bully them, but then they'd just withhold their vote"

You make some very good points.

And welcome back, your comments are always insightful. -RM

TheObvious

Thanks Rod.

I don't want to come off as overly sympathetic towards Obama. On the issue of gay rights I feel that hes been a piss poor leader and we should point him out for it. On the other hand, on some of the other issues, his hands are tied and I can't blame him for it. I just can't. It'd be wrong. You have to accept nasty facts and factors or you just won't get anywhere. You've got to work through them. As activists, as citizens, what we're supposed to do is make the lives of those senators a living hell and push them to our side. Obama can't do all the heavy lifting, people.

mjolnir202

TheObvious does indeed make some good points. George Bush, besides using 9/11 to scare and bully everyone to his will, could also count on some conservative democrats to cross the aisle for him. The republicans have decided that it's in their best interest to obstruct everything the president proposes. They have no ideas and see no reason to present any. An idea can be debated and even defeated, but a roadblock is hard to overcome when the other side isn't even united in attacking that roadblock.

The other point TheObvious made is also salient; the republican party is not just more united than the democratic party, it's also more homogeounous. The party spent the better part of the last two decades purging almost all moderate and liberal republican office holders from the party. Basically, unless you are on the far right, it's pretty difficult to even win a republican primary. Can you name one newly elected republican in either house that wasn't a total right-winger? In the long term this will doom the party, as it basically becomes a southern, white nationalist front. Young people and non-whites are turning away from the party in droves and demographically, the march toward being the party of aggreived, old white people is unsustainable. BUT...in the short term it's electoral gold.

A final point is that the republicans are better at selling their message. They make it simple, even if it's lies, and every member of the party repeats the same talking points no matter where they appear and before you know it, the MSM has signed on is using their vocabulary. The have absolutely no respect for the voters and the voters seem to love them for it.

You ever realize that anytime a democrat or liberal proposes something or even states a basic fact not in alliance with the conservative ideology, the republicans pounce on it and within a week it's now not a fact or even a policy issue, but a "Debate"? Gay rights debate, global warming debate, evolution debate, environmental debate. It's not because the republicans want to debate these issues (and possibly lose), it's because they want to make sure the 'debate' goes on forever without any urgency to take action.

I mean, this is a party that has rode the public anger against the bank bailouts, but have already stated their opposition to any new legislation or new department to regulate the same financial institutions so this doesn't happen again. Disengenous....Yes!

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