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06 November 2005

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NoahFan

Wow, Rod. I'm confused. First you sort of praise the show in your introduction. Then you rip it to shreds in your "re-cap". Doesn't add up. Your posts really seem to indicate that you hate Noah's Arc, even when you say you don't. But yet you devote so much time to it on your blog.

Also, your personal preference for so-called "masculine" men is obvious, to the point where you really don't have to keep hatin' on the show because it doesn't fit your idea of what's attractive- in terms of men, fashion, or accessories. You like "masculine" men. We get it. Do we have to keep hearing about it? And do you have to keep criticizing the show because it chooses to portray lead characters who don't fit into your mold of "masculine" men? Unfair, to say the least. And while we're at it- who made you the expert on gay male couples. The reality is- taste is subjective; everyone's tastes are their own. Not ALL "masculine" men only go for other masculine men. (Even if that's the majority of what YOU see in your immediate circle.) Not ALL "feminine" men go for other feminine men. Not ALL- well, you get the point. Noah's Arc's reality doesn't have to fit your reality. So stop criticizing the show for not mirroring YOUR ideas about what it means to be a gay black man. If you recognize that one show can't be all things to all people, then why do you continue to impose your reality onto this one show?

And finally, I DVR'ed the show and have watched it at least six times already- so I must point out a few errors in your re-cap.

1) Romeo never said "bitch, what's the de-ga-ga?" Only Alex used that phrase. Romeo said, "Hey Noah. You lookin for LaShance? She over there."

2) I've visited Teedra Moses website and seen her video and have her album. That is NOT Teedra Moses performing in the show. According to the Noah's Arc message board post on the show's music, the singer appearing in this episode is named Felisa.

3) The first line in "Lovin Is Really My Game" is not "cause i believe in the PULPIT" (you were joking, right?). It's "I believe in the BOOGIE, but the BOOGIE don't believe in me!"

4) I don't think there were any green-screens or adding of audience members in post, as you suggest. Those lights you refer to are some kind of glittery confetti that blows on the stage near the conclusion of the number. It is quite evident as you see tons of the stuff floating around the guys at the end of the number.

Only pointing these things out, since you try to painstakingly re-cap the episodes. If I notice any other errors, I'll be sure to point them out too.

In closing, I want you to know that your work, your website, your blogs are important to us. And we appreciate the work you do to keep us informed, keep us in the know. I also want you to know that I'm not in any way suggesting that you can't criticize this show or any other piece of art. If you have issues with aspects of the show- the writing, etc- then that is certainly your right. But I'm only pointing out my views and what I think are some unfair criticisms, and offering a counter-viewpoint to balance out what I see as an undeserved overly negative tone to your Noah's Arc pieces.

I feel very lucky and proud to exist in a time where a show like Noah's Arc exists. I look forward to Wednesday nights in a way I haven't looked forward to them since I was a child and Linda Carter graced my TV screen on Wonder Woman (did I mention I'm gay??? lol).

Keep on doing what your doing...but if you see fit, please please please ease up just a little bit on Noah's Arc.

---A devoted visitor to your site

Koncious Kaos

I love these recaps, better late than never I suppose. Im done critiquing Noah's Arc. Everybody was upset (including myself)when they learned that more than one of the lead characters were feminine as opposed to masucline. Who cares they're still gay.I just take it for what it is, television, can't please everybody. I heart Noah's Arc.

Just one other thing, that wasn't Teedra Moses in the nightclub scene. Don't know who chick was, but wasn't Teedra.

http://www.teedramoses.com/

ralphie

Noah Fan, I think you're misisng the point. The recaps are bitchy because it's a show ABOUT FOUR QUEENS!

How would you expect to recap the show? Like a book report?
Go to any of thegay white blogs or websites, they teatr into Alias, Desperate Housewives or all those shows. ITS FUN.

They're almost more fun than the show.

Also, Rod admitted the show characters aren't his social crowd ... BUT of them all he gives ALEX the most rave reviews every week. So it's not like he is being judgmental.

Oh yea, isn't Rod a televison producer? Umm, I kind of think he would know a green screen or whatever it was.

greg

1) Rod never said Romeo said "Bitch, what's the de-gaga." That is a running tab of how many times bitch, girl and de-gaga are aid on the show.

Romeo or some queen in the dressing room said "girl, she's over there" and also "bitch, let have"

Noah fan, he never claimed to be a relationship expert. You're trying to ruin the *fun*. You can't possibly be trying to defend a show that is even using lines like, "Bitch, what's the degaga?" It's a silly, bitchy, faggy show show he has every right to recap it in a silly, bitchy faggy manner. If you're going to double check all his recaps you probaly need your own blog.

This is so ironic because he said that people wanted Noahs Arc to be all things to everyone.

Jared

Funny recap Rod - but the movie with the Anne Marie Johnson sex scene you refrrred to is actually Strictly Business, one of Halle Berry's first movies.

NoahFan

Greg, you're right. But Rod did quote Romeo as having said, "Hey girl! Go in bitch, let have!" Romeo did not say that. Ricky did- at Noah's urging. Still a mistake.

And I happen to work in television post-production myself. So actually I'd know green screen if I saw it. And that was no green screen. It's mylar confetti.

And I'm merely pointing out that we need to be celebrating a show like this, not excessively tearing it down. I'm entitled to my opinion- and I happen to disagree with Rod's critique. That's MY right, yes? And also the point of this "post a comment" section. If Rod didn't welcome opposing viewpoints, there'd be no "comments" section.

I recognize that Rod's posts are supposed to be "in good fun", but I still think they're far too negative and mean-spirited. Just my opinion. Which I'm entitled to.

Thanks.

**From Rod 2.0**: FYI to readers, the person identified as "Noah Fan" has an IP address that is very similar to that of a Noah's Arc staffer who has emailed this weblog. In later comment they claim to be from Chicago, but the IP address is Long Beach, CA. We'd say, "Still a mistake" **SMH**

dromdaq

I would like to see a recap from someone with a lil sugar in the tank. counting the girls and gaga's , why some people do talk this way head down to Christopher or any other stroll an listen to how " bitches" really talk. Being overly critical can get very old and this isn't pointed just at you Rod but to everyone else that has bashed these bruh's for being trailblazers.Yes we do have a problem idolizing the hyper masculine types but trust me it will swing the other way again. This episode pointed out so many things about ourselves, why do so many not know the meaning of dating? Are we all sex addicts? Do try to push our ways on those that we date?Personally I think we have allowed this homo/thug era to taint our experiences, we are outraged by prejudice but as you mention the noe defunct Suspect with their outrageous door policies killed them in the end> I can name club by club, city by city that have tried it but put on some house anlet the kids have the fun. It reminds me of when the NYC sex party scene started they tried to police the door and all you had was a bunch Timbs ab=nd boxers fronting, then you let in a lil sugar to get the party started.I believe I have said enough.P

Scott Poulson-Bryant

hilarious recap.

the "puerto rican boy in a dress" is from To Wong Foo...do I get my ten points??? (love that flick, by the way, even tho no one else does...)

I've sorta come around about the show, liking it a bit more than i did at first....but that might be because your recaps crack me up so much...

peace
spb

Procrastination_xtravaganza

The worst part about this comment string, is that everyone is trying to point out where Rod is off the mark, and no one can consistently correct this recap! I mean, damn, if you gonna come for someone, come correct! After seeing ep. 3 a third time, I'm sure I could clean up every (read as strikethrough)--spelling & grammatical error-- incorrect quote and who it's attributed to, cause I'm just that fly (LOL,) but who cares? Ok, just one for good measure, Noah says "poked" not "fucked." ROFL I love that as i'm writng this post, at 2am Rod comes on and strikthrough's the 'Teedra Moses' chapter!! I'm crackin up right now! I'll have to finish my post later...

naturalblkluv

Ok, the drag talk this week was too much, but being a liberal, I read thru it. Now I was upset at this week’s show. I knew that within the first 5 episodes they would go and do a drag queen show. I don't like drag. This show was a let down, sgl people were expecting the new homo, one who was comfortable with being a man, not a guy who wants to be a woman.
I know this show cant be everything to everybody, but when you are the first; your target audience sets a high standard. Should I feel sorry that I have to high a standard ? Maybe i should lower my standard because everybody lowered his.

I remember a time, when u were the first minority to do something, you had a lot of pressure, and you tried to break down stereotypes, not re enforce them. If will & grace was to introduce a transgender blk snap queen on the show, the sgl people would have went crazy screaming we are all not like that.

I think that guy Dewayne did a porn movie. I can’t think of it now, but I know, his face looks very familiar, a couple of people have stated that to me he looked as though he did a movie or two also

Poet Man

This show is GROUNDBREAKING and I believe that some of us are really ignoring that. All this tearing up the show why? Yeah it may not be CSI or any of that other crap but it is the 1st BLACK GAY MALE television show out there, a treendsetter. It is entertaining.

It is my belief that we, gay men no matter what color, come in many different types. Some are more masculine and other more feminine.. But don't you need someone to cook that good meal at nite and someone to hold with their strong arms and hold you tight late at nite.

Rod I do thank you for the weekly updates.I look forward to them I am just saying dang can you tone down the barrading of the characters just a lil.

rod

Jared: Thanks for the correction.

NaturalBlk has a great point: a black snap queen on "Will & Grace" would have an outrage. We have several on Noah, and its okay. And when I recap the show in the same bitchy manner, some people are uncomfortable.

Keeping in mind what PoetMan just said, I re-read the post and it can come across as very snarky. I'm just playing, and I hoped that everyone knew that. So going forward, I can change some things and try to be less sarcastic. But they're asking for it; the characters are flames and it's bitch this, girl that ... and people are upset because my commentary is of the same tone?

Noah"Fan" or is it staffer? Logo reaches 18 million, this website reaches at most 10k or 13k daily. That comment, plus your techie knowlege, and your lookig for mistakes encourages me to beliveve that you're with the show. If they won't talk to me on the record, they can't do it via your or any other proxy. That's all I have to say about that.

Stallion

That shit was Funny. Why eveybody got issues. It's only One Man's opinion. Personally, I thought the recap was hilarious. All these serious posters over a bitchy/campy/drag/comedy show. I think ya'll got issues with rod.

pamela

Rod - thanks for the link to the song - I have to have it blasting in my car by tomorrow.

I saw the damn show and you added a whole new dimension to it.

LOVED your steak knife sharp critique.

nOva

Yes, Rod, thanks to you I feel like I didn't miss a thing this past week. Very comprehensive recap.

*dap*

ClayStarr

i love ur recaps.

NoahFan

Rod:
I wish I did work on a show like this. I'd give my "eye teeth", as my grandma used to say. But, alas, my TV job is in post-production, mostly documentaries, and mostly boring as hell. And I'm based in Chi-town, not LA or NY. But I do love the show- almost obsessively. I just never thought I'd see something like this on television. So if I defend it passionately, that's why. That said, I realize not everyone will share my passion for it- the same way not everyone shares my passion for Dennis Leary's "Rescue Me" or Niecy Nash's "Clean House" or "What's Happenin" reruns. I will continue to read your blogs- as I'm a devoted reader. And I may continue to disagree with some or most of your opinions. But I hope you keep doing what you doing (just less bitchy, maybe :-), and I hope the Noah's Arc folks keep doin' what they're doing...

Thanks for the forum!

**From Rod 2.0**: "Noah Fan's" IP addy is registered to Long Beach, CA. So he was technically correct; not Los Angeles, just next door. It's also the same the city from where a Noah staff member sent an email.

taylor Siluwé

I've come to several conclusions.

One ... the SGL community is the most sensitive community I know. Maybe because we've had our radars honed by years of blatant racism AND homophobia, that we bristle so easily at almost any depiction of ourselves.

Too queeny? Too butch? Too sexual? Too prissy? Too Trendy? Not Trendy enough? Too Black? Too yellow? And the funniest and most impossible of all is ... Too gay? Yeah ... as opposed to those Barely-Gay men who only suck a little dick on Tuesdays.

We all need to lighten up. Even the people who dislike the show will continue to tune in no matter they say. Why? Well ... how many SGL options are there in TV land?

Exactly.

We've got one show. Thirty measley minutes each week, and Rod2.0 has generously expounded that experience to the second power with this brilliant, virtually frame by frame, festive recap.

And you bitches are complainin'???

Yeah, I said bitches. And no, I don't talk like that, but hey, for this particular thread ... we should all embrace our inner ALEX.

I spent most of my morning with this recap, reliving the experience, laughing my ass off, amazed by the things I didn't catch and the fine-tooth comb precision analysis of this GROUNDBREAKING show.

A lot of us seem to forget that. And something else seems to have slipped our overly-critical eyes.
Though the main characters of the show are fem ... there is plenty of masculine imagery circulating the periphery. Just look past Noah's hair-do and distracting scarves.

Clearly Rod has this 'thing' about rings on men. I'm totally confounded by that. I love rings. I love jewelry. I love Bling. When did wearing rings become feminine? I musta missed that memo, Rod. Foward it to me when you have a sec.

Meanwhile, I'll keep wearing my rings. My favorite is my silver Tiger Claw, which, though asthetically appealing, has a much more practical use when the need arises ... and leaves a helluva impression on folk.

My last observation ... each episode won't be complete until I spend an entire morning absorbed in this recap.

Now THAT'S the DE-GAGA!

*** i can't believe i just said that. get outta my head ALEX! ***

seanndc

this show is the black gay version of the golden girls/sex in the city...

it is what it is, and it's just ok.


what real life queen wants her man sitting around under girlfriends? doesn't work

taylor Siluwé

Sean N dc ...

are you saying a 'real queen' should be fearful of holding onto his man? If so ... that's a sad commentary on gay relationships.

No matter who you sleep with, you gotta trust your friends. Yes, we sometimes stab each other in the back, but no more or less than our heterosexual counterparts.

And what man is gonna be a complete stranger to his partner's friends? Trying to keep HIM separate from your real life is what doesn't work.

Think about it. And if your 'girlfriends' are so treacherous ... get new ones.

ModFab

My hope -- and one I suspect the creators of NOAH ARC share -- is that we will get over our hetero-imitative gender roles and realize that men are men, period. To call these characters "excessively flamboyant, prissy and feminine", Rod, seems very homophobic (of the internal kind)...or at the very least, sets you up as some kind of Macho Police, which is exactly the kind of reactionary insults designed to drive gay men apart.

The statement that "they usually pursue very masculine men, and we feel like we're watching a battle of the sexes along the lines of a Girlfriends or The Parkers" is equally insulting, I think. It ignores the characters like Wade and Trey, who don't seem all that panicked about a feminine/masculine ratio in the men they love.

"Alex, Chance, Noah and Ricky don't seem like men ... or at least none that we know." Is that an indictment of the show, or an indictment of yourself?

I'm a masculine gay top (bear), and am married to an equally masculine guy. I know very few men who are overly effeminate. But at the same time, I realize that the Noahs, Chances, and Ricky's of the universe have much to offer the rest of us...and that trying to dismiss our brothers with sexist vocabulary is exactly what the religious right would like us to do.

Love the post, by the way...arguably the longest in the history of blogdom. :-)

Mark

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Rod, for this brilliant, keen, detailed recap/unpacking of the show. Please, please, please, do not "change some things" or "try to be less sarcastic." Nobody is going to stop watching the show or appreciating it for what it is (as someone said, it's the only thing out there), but let us appreciate the Rod 2.0 experience for what it is as well. I enjoy the recap much more than the actual show. Watching the show is like prep for the main event: your read on it.

ModFab

My hope -- and one I suspect the creators of NOAH ARC share -- is that we will get over our hetero-imitative gender roles and realize that men are men, period. To call these characters "excessively flamboyant, prissy and feminine", Rod, seems very homophobic (of the internal kind)...or at the very least, sets you up as some kind of Macho Police, which is exactly the kind of reactionary insults designed to drive gay men apart.

The statement that "they usually pursue very masculine men, and we feel like we're watching a battle of the sexes along the lines of a Girlfriends or The Parkers" is equally insulting, I think. It ignores the characters like Wade and Trey, who don't seem all that panicked about a feminine/masculine ratio in the men they love.

"Alex, Chance, Noah and Ricky don't seem like men ... or at least none that we know." Is that an indictment of the show, or an indictment of yourself?

I'm a masculine gay top (bear), and am married to an equally masculine guy. I know very few men who are overly effeminate. But at the same time, I realize that the Noahs, Chances, and Ricky's of the universe have much to offer the rest of us...and that trying to dismiss our brothers with sexist vocabulary is exactly what the religious right would like us to do.

Love the post, by the way...arguably the longest in the history of blogdom. :-)

CHARLES

Love your recaps man. They make me laugh out loud. Folks, lighten up on Rod. He's having fun doing this and I think deep down most of you enjoy it too.
I even enjoyed the debate on Trey's skin color. I too am, as my bestfriend puts it, "superlight," and have a similar build. I'm just hoping my stock goes up as a byproduct of Trey's representation of tv. It's hard on us down, light skin brothers these days. No need to be leery of me brother rod. When they ship us back to Africa this yella brother is going too. Gladly...

Coy

Good use of the term Snarky, Rod.
That's my fave word. Good on you.

So yeah, I loved the recap. Just too funny. The show is not that for me but I watched QAF until I realized it REALLY wasn't for me. I kept watching simply because it was a GAY show. So I will watch NA because it's GAY and BLACK....I also see the potential for fleshed out characters and storylines.

O.k. "Homo Thug" in the restroom.... HOT-T. Who is he? Anyone?

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