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15 February 2007

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ttime2doit

Far too many countries around the world with Black governments are spending entirely too much energy ostracizing Gays/Bisexuals. And here in the U.S. our black community, our churches do similar. Ironically we have too many more important issues to address then who one goes to bed with! And being the most disenfranchised group of people on the planet [blacks of the Diaspora] our challenge should be to dismantle racism and claim our economic position in this world.

Divisions such as this is what Europeans harnessed when they dissected Africa and enslaved us. Some how, some way, some day we will have to absorb a blanket of unity or we'll never dethrone our oppressors.

Solo

These posts about the incident in Jamaica and Tim Hardaway's comments only serves to prove what straight blacks think about gay blacks. That they are prone to uncle tomism and have this harsh (white) way of making judgements about all hetro blacks. First hatred is everywhere, homophobia, racism, sexism is everywhere, so boycotting an entire country because of the actions of a few is a rediculous idea, no society could pass that litmus test. If you boycotted everywhere where a homophobic incident took place well then you would have to set up residence on the moon.
Tim Hardaway is clearly a moron but if your gay and being called the "F" word is the worst thing to ever happen to you, well then you have had a really easy life.

Adam

Wow. Okay, I am a Jamaican, so I must comment. Yes, Jamaica is homophobic and I am tired of it. However, the word on the street is that the young men asked for it. Now, I am not trying to justify the actions of the mob, but there are two sides to evry story...so, we must strive for objectivity above all else. It is alleged that the young men were being flambouyant, fabulous and fierce even. One woman gawked with displeasure and, it is alleged, one of the young men doused her with water or whatever it was that he was drinking. It was this action that sparked the bonfire that followed.

Listen to me carefully, I am not striving to justify what happened. But, as a Jamaican gay man, I am somtimes annoyed with the behaviour of some gays here. One mark of maturity is sensitivity to ones environs. Jamaica is not quite ready for gay pride marches and such, and gay people need to acknowledge this. There are many gay men and women who are getting by in Jamaica without being mobbed.

Let us be objective.

Thank you for listening.

The Haaaaaaa!

I am enraged by this story.

And Adam, I cannot believe your story about those gay men asking for it. It's absurd. Considering what I have heard about Jamaica already and the overt attitudes about us "gays" we, the "bridges between heaven and earth", the Adodi. I find what you've said hard to believe. Anytime the world sees your whole country as homophobic...something is very wrong. Then to say that someone within that country "asked" for the abuse...bullshit.

They would have to be out of their minds to "ask for it" in the way that you have implied, Adam,
the fear of being crucified for being Adodi has to be running rampant within our people in that country. Furthermore, maybe the whole value system created about human rights there needs to change...and perhaps with the use of economic force.

What if there should be the same reaction to Jamaicans globally for just being Jamaican? Gay is not a set of characteristics, as if we are choosing which earrings to wear for the evening, doll, ...you just are...who is Jamaica to choose and demand a what brand of "Gay" is okay, when just the
"be-ing" of each of us is our own--
'cause God gave it to us.

Even when they go elsewhere many Jamaican men and women still hold the same poisonus position on human rights. I think that's where this DL shit came from...(straight drag gone very wrong.) It's a wonder how our Jamaican brothers and sisters who are Adodi can sleep at night being brought up within a culture as that.

Free will is something given by God...how riduculously snooty (as I have always heard Jamaicans to be) to assume that you can look down on someone simply because they are not "appropriate" based on an outdated and "late" worldview with regard to the human race AND sexuality. What is a virtual witchhunt doing in 2007? Evolve for a change.

But I am afraid Jamaica will learn The Archangel Lucifer's lesson, he was very beautiful but he let pride get in the way:

Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty look before a fall.

Even countries have Karma, (and yes we do too!)

If I were queen.... Of course, I would have to renovate the country's security laws and personnel. And educate. But if that didn't work, I'd isolate Jamaica, dry out her ports and her tourist sites, Forbid anyone to immigrate almost anywhere from there (or make it very difficult for those who have been guilty of a severe crime to any human) I'd rip all out of her advertisements from the airwaves...I'd make her almost invisible economically as if she never existed.

Why? Because this is not a gay problem...it is a human problem that is what it always is when humans are denied the right to live freely. And when humans don't allow others to be human...they need rehabilitation, isolation or severe limitations.

I say shake her foundation...softly first, with education and the knowledge that the world will not put up with outright human ignorance and violence to people because they want to exist freely.

Then "strongly encourage" enforced protective laws (required) for the "would be" persecuted who travel there and those who are there. Create safe spaces for the persecuted and create severe penalties for violence to people in this way.

If this doesn't work, The hammer would fall more severely, a steady economic starvation as I have said. for at least a half generation, let the ignorance die off!! Bring it famine! Maybe the hunger of Jamaica's stomach will make her spirit rise.
I've heard fasting is good for the soul.

Oi

This is really sad, and as a Jamaican I am ashamed, but let it be known that such views are not shared by all Jamaicans. Homophobia is unfortunately a large part of traditional CARIBBEAN, not only Jamaican masculinity.

It is unfortunate that the hoi polloi, the ignorant uneducated masses, or even impressionable young children, subscribe to this view, or in my opinion are under the influence of messages in pop culture such as those preached by local dancehall artistes and music.

Jamaica is a beautiful country with lots of warm amazing people and places.

IF THE PEOPLE OF THIS SITE WANT TO CAST STONES OR BOYCOTT SOMETHING LET IT BE THE MIND ROT THAT IS DANCEHALL!

Riva Ridge

As a Jamaican living in Jamaica, I must say thanks to Darius for your for your thoughtful and well-reasoned comments.

I do not intend to get in any debate about some of the irrational, emotional and baseless arguments above.

What I will say is that as far as homophobia in Jamaica is concerned we have come a far way. Attitudes are changing and it will get better in my lifetime.

I live here, have witnessed it, so I should know.

I am ashamed of our homophobia but I am very proud to be Jamaican and, while I face the challenges of livng here because of my sexuality, I would not want to live any where else.

People may refer to us as Third World but this little island of 4,411 square feet has made an immense contribution to the world.

Back in the 60's and 70's when the First World turned a blind eye to Apartheid in South Africa, it was Jamaica who lobbied the UN and led the campaign for sanctions against the white minority government.

And the music of Bob Marley was the call to arms for the Zimbabwe Resistance against the white government.

So much for being a blight on the planet.

Jamprincess

I JUST WANT TO PUT THIS OUT THERE. I AM A JAMAICAN AND I AM NOT GAY, BUT I HAVE GAY FRIENDS, INCLUDING GUYS AND GIRLS. JAMAICANS ARE VERY FRIENDLY PEOPLE AND MY GAY FRIENDS LIVE IN JAMAICA AND DO NOT EXPERIENCE THIS TYPE OF VIOLENCE. YES IT IS IGNORANCE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS TYPE OF STUFF ARE NOT EDUCATED ABOUT GAYS. IF WE EDUCATE THIS PEOPLE THEN IT WILL HELP TO CURVE THE SITUATION, BUT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PLACE OUT THERE, ALOT OF PEOPLE DONT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THE SITUATION, IF AMERICA DID NOT EDUCATE THEIR PEOPLE I AM SURE IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME EFFECT. IF SOMEONE COULD HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT GOES TO THE SCHOOLS AND EDUCATE THE STUDENTS THEN INTERN IT WILL HELP. I JUST HOPE GAY PEOPLE DO NOT TAKE THIS OUT ON EVERY JAMAICAN BECAUSE THAT WOULDNT BE FAIR. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF ONE GAY PERSON DOES SOMETHING AND I AM GOING TO TAKE IT OUT ON ALL GAY PEOPLE

fc

If these people believe in god so much they should not be so judgemental, it is ok to disagree on how people live thier lives, it does make sense that some of these broke b*tches have nothing else better than harm other mankind, if these people were living good they would not have time for none of nonsense, i bet some of the attackers in the crowd are closeted GLBT people.

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