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03 January 2008

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Andy Niable

He gave a heck of a victory speech too.

Any guess on what color Bill's face is tnite?

sundaydinner

The CNN coverage that I watched on last night was predictable. First they started with hints that Edwards would declare a victory way too early then they put up all these supposedly "real time" precint percentages with the gap closing each hour.
MEDIA PHONIES!!!
As if they did not see it coming OBAMA is taking Iowa they reported then the real head games started when Soledad O'Brian suggested that a black or African-American winning in all white Iowa was impossible--WTF....
Back to focusing on race and gender not the issues or merit of the candidates. The DNC is full of it here is the plan Obama wins Iowa, Clinton(Hillary) wins New Hampshire, and homeboy Edwards wins South Carolina then we wait for the coin toss.

Douglas

Bush II, Dole, Kerry and Gore (who all went on to win their party's nomination) did win Iowa. Iowa is by no means a fringe state. Since 1972, when the Iowa caususes came to national attention, most candidates who won in Iowa went on to win their party's nomination. This is a great day for Obama.

Luther

While still not willing to say I would vote for him, or any one else running so far, as I still don't get what he stands for since being positive can only go so far in a world filled with negatives, this is truly a great day for this country,race finally did not matter with voters, and, one, I never thought I would see, a black man that is actually viable, although, the true test will be once he hits the South I guess.

Michael Crawford

This is an amazing win not just for Obama, but for America. Barack has the vision, the political smarts and the judgement to unite Americans across the spectrum to solve our common problems.

After seven long years of being scapegoated as the problem by George Bush and the GOP, LGBT Americans are being invited by Barack to be a part of the solution.

Jim

Not to question the historical uniqueness of this event or anything, but in 1988, Jesse Jackson won the Michigan caucuses with 54% of the vote. He did not win 54% of Michigan only by carrying Detroit, guaranteed.

Furthermore, Jesse was a lot more progressive that Obama.

We've come a long way since 1988, and it hasn't all been forward.

Me

What a beautiful black man he is ... sexy in such an understated way. Not sure which way my vote's gonna go yet, but this is big news indeed.

Derrick from Philly

"Jesse was a Lot more progressive than Obama"

Jim, you and I have the same opinion of Obama, but my close friends tell me that I'm being politically unsophisticated. They point out that Barack's message resonates with white voters because he does NOT deliver the traditional liberal/civil rights movement doctrines & "solutions".

Well, I'll vote for him in the Pennsylvania Primary, and if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for him in the general election. But it'll be like voting for a younger, better looking Colin Powell....well, maybe a darker Harold Ford.

And who's the last president we had who smoked cigarettes?
LBJ, JFK, or FDR? All three? Hey, maybe successful Democrats who make it to the White House all smoke cigarettes. Well, Big Bill Clinton must have smoked cigars, or else he just happened to have one when Monica Lewinsky was around. Jimmy Carter didn't smoke; he was a saint. Bless his peanut growin' soul.

Luther

Derrick, you hit a home run again with your point of view! I would consider voting for Obama or even that Ron Paul odd little man, but, can't for anyone as I'm an Independent and, in my state, can't vote in this sort of an election.

My only wish is that Mitt or Rudy don't get into the plantation house, they both have no morals nor character, and, are just creepy.

And, funny, about smoking, life was just more fun when drinking, smoking and sex were to be done just for the fun of it, off topic, but, I guess it shows my age!

NOBS

correct me if Im wrong, but Keith was pretty non-commital about Obama before, and talked about how they went to law school together but didnt have a lot of significant interactions, now its "Im so proud of my law school classmate....."

Marc C.

Well, as long as Saint Hillary and Czar Rudy have been shown that they don't have an automatic shoe in for the nomination in this most ridiculous way of nominating someone as is this process of a caucuses in such a small state that does not reflect America for the highest office in the world, more power to Obama, and Huck.

Andy in Seattle

We can all sit around and watch, or we can make this man President. He's not perfect, he doesn't perfectly align with many of us on every issue, but consider the alternatives, and consider the opportunity we have here to reverse this country's rapid and terrifying slide from Republic to Empire. Barack is doing a lot to raise the level of rhetoric back to a sane, direct, optimistic, and hopeful tone, but it's going to take thousands, if not millions, of people not only to make him President, but to put his vision into practice and change things.

Luther

Good points Andy, but, as we have seen since the last election, good people can have good ideas, but, if they have a congress who will fight them tooth and nail, not much will get done.

I'm still out on Obama, and, all the rest of the Dem's, but, am starting to finally read about him, good ideas, but, will they work? None of these candidates have that humph for me, and, even after 8 years of sheer hell with Bush, are any really better? Or just more lip service for a vote?

O. Tobe Gaye

NOBS, you're right, not only did Mr. Boykin stand non-commital, he joined the choir of those who questioned Obama's experience and committment to LBGT issues after the McKlurkin episode, and statistically "predicted" Hillary would win the primary. Now that Obama capped his first major political victory, Boykin is full of praise. Bless him, because like many black gay bloggers, he can, at times, have his liberal political finger in the wind, as if his future depended on it. Will other former doubters now follow?

jim

What do you guys think about his association with Donnie McClurkin? This makes me way more nervous than the Clintons.

Jim

[To the fellow who just posted as lower-case “jim”: I realize I don’t have a copyright on my name, but I’ve been posting here for a while, so I’d really appreciate it if you posted under a name that would distinguish yourself.]

Derrick, those friends of yours who accuse you of lacking political sophistication are among those who got us into this terrible mess in the first place.

The N.Y. Times, with Bob Herbert and Paul Krugman, have been doing a series of op-eds lately in which they have been criticizing Obama’s “let’s all get together and be nice” routine. Now neither Herbert or Krugman is a radical, but they are right here: That “nice” stuff just isn’t going to cut it. The folks in power don’t play nice. When I hear Obama talk that way, it just means to me that he isn’t going to do a damn thing.

Please, don’t tell me a black candidate has to talk like that to be “accepted.” If we can demand that a white candidate talk the truth, then we had better hold black candidates to the same standard.

It seems to be just human nature to look for a savior, or at least for someone who is well-intentioned. This need is understandable, but it trips us up every single election. We go into a state of denial about the men running for office. We imagine that once they get elected, they won’t have to hide their progressive sides anymore.

Well, we saw how well that worked with Bill Clinton. Once he got elected, he didn’t have to hide that he was a Republican anymore.

What makes you think Obama is different?

Mel Smith

jim, his association with Donnie McClurkin makes me nervous too.

Sandy

Well, Mel Smith, they all pander to the so called evangelicals, so, he is not in a league of his own there. My concern is about how he will deal with issues that affect black folks, striaght and gay, since, we are a group as a whole that no one wants to 'pander' to since race is no longer a factor in either party, other than to get a vote, and, the GOP does not want a black vote, so they don't even try.

Mel Smith

Sandy, I agree with your points too.

Jon

Boykin used to work for Clinton. I am surprised nobody pointed that out.

Me

Gotta say the Donnie Mac thing is what has me on the fence ... that was not cool. While I don't think it was entirely his fault, I still wonder why his people even thought it was OK to have him on that tour. There are dozens of other popular male gospel singers. That was not a smart move. I took it as a wink and a nod to black straights. But then, I can admit I am becoming anti-black straight, so what do I know?

Derrick from Philly

I'm warming up to him, y'all. He was "cool" at the New Hampshire debate on Saturday night. Still didn't say much, but he was cool. Can coolness win an election? Maybe.

Look, I'm trying to find every damn reason I can to develop some passion, or atleast enthusiam, for this man. I had to go through the same process with Kerry, Clinton, Dukakis. Gore & Mondale were the last Dem nominees I wanted from the gitgo.

Mel Smith

Me, I dislike the white heterosexuals more than the black heterosexuals; homophobia came from Europe.

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