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03 June 2008

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Shabaka

Ironic, Ms. Smith, would be any black person (like yourself) opposing this!

Mel Smith

I think the New York Times report was fair. Harlem has people who support gay rights and then it has right wing religious people who are anti gay. Personally, I think Harlem is a black gay mecca; we have a strong history in Harlem. As black gay brothers and sisters, we have an obligation to make sure that the media does not portray Harlem as being hostile to gay rights. We helped create the Harlem renaissance. All of the famous gay brothers and sisters cherished Harlem.

KG

too often we have people foriegn to our communities telling us how we feel and what we think....

i really appreciate this post and your anaylsis.

C. Baptiste-Williams

it amazes me that when it comes to homophobia people run to the bible...

the same bible that speaks out against divorce, when the divorce rate is always climbing.

the same bible that speaks about eating shellfish, but people consume crab cakes and shrimp cocktail.

the same bible that says work is to be done 6 days a week and anyone that works on the sabbath shall be put to death.

Please find another place to put your homophobia because your biblical reference doesnt work.

elg

I read the article in the NYT several days ago. I didn't see anything particularly wrong with the piece.

It was not a SCIENTIFIC sampling of how Harlemites view the governor's directive. It was apparently a RANDOM sampling of opinion in Harlem about the governor's action and these were the responses.

I saw a study/poll a while back that indicates blacks were more likely to be opposed to same sex marriage than other groups.

Blacks (presumably straight) "holding up their hands and walking away at the mention of the phrase 'same-sex'" - is anyone saying that didn't happen?

Rod Mc

ELG I've written many articles on this topic. But I never said the NYT article was 'scientific poll'.

Does it not bother you that they didn't interview one black gay person? Or, even referenced Paterson's long history with gay rights? I'm surprised anyone who is gay or black and gay would defend this.

Rod Mc

ELG I've written many articles on this topic. But I never said the NYT article was 'scientific poll'.

Does it not bother you that they didn't interview one black gay person? Or, even referenced Paterson's long history with gay rights? I'm surprised anyone who is gay or black and gay would defend this.

ATL KID

Harlem is very gay. I know about ten or twenty people they could have interviewed who are gay and live in Harlem.

Bernie (from NYC)

As a Black gay man who lives in Harlem--in David Paterson's district when he was State Senator--in a building with a large number of gay and lesbian tenants, on a street with many gay and lesbian residents, I think my neighborhood is far more representative of Harlem than that NY Times article.

Anti-believer

I like Lorice Johnson.... she shocked her daughter big time!

Black people on Eurweb act like this all the time. Such a-holes on that website that can't stand gays and they always run to the bible.

They judge us and think we all are the same. There are many types of gays not just what they show on tv.

Jim

I found this article quite depressing when I saw it yesterday. After all, if it isn't OK to be gay in Harlem, where else is it? And if Harlem is that conservative, what about Augusta and Jackson and Birmingham?

But then Bernie cheers me up. And I hope that Cara Buckley was just attracting the wrong kind when she was wandering around Harlem on that particular day.

Ben

With articles such as this, I always question the reporter's background and motivations. Esp. given the climate for mass media reportage these days - lots of questions and opinions, but few facts.

Me

It's funny that the little old lady was quoted. My late grandma, who just died last year, used to say the same thing. "They pay they taxes like everybody else. What's the problem?" she'd say in her small voice. My stupid aunts didn't get it, but granny was right. She just said love is love and that's the way it is. I have to say that I agree with the above poster who said this is kind of shakey because I know lots of gay folks in Harlem. But it is what it is. This is one of those issues people will never truly be on one accord about.

elg

Rod: I have to admit that when I read the article on Sunday I did not think about why a black openly gay person was not interviewed. One reason may be because black gays, unlike many white gays, have not organized themselves into a separate community/movement that a writer could easily tap into.

Having said that, if a black gay person had been interviewed there's no telling what he would have said. Some black gays say things like black gays have more important issues than same sex marriage like "income disparity", paying the rent, putting food on the table, gang violence (!) or 'same sex marriage is a white gay issue' (!!), etc. I'm sure you've heard this before.

And, yes, Gov. Paterson's history of support for gay/marriage rights would have added some texture to the article.

Rod  Mc

ELG: You really need to stop defending the NYT because it sounds foolish. 'Black gays have not organized themselves into a separate community/movement' in NEW YORK CITY? IN HARLEM? lol

You do not live in NYC. Please stop making me laugh.

Donald

Without analysis, stacking the deck for same-sex marriage looks a lot like stacking the deck against it.

elg

Rod: You are correct, I do not live in NY. But I have been to NY a number of times.

When I initially read the article on Sunday (I'm a subscriber), I recall being fascinated with the various quotes and reactions. The blacks "holding up their hands and walking away at the mention of the phrase 'same-sex'" made an impression. I initially didn't think about why no black openly gay person was interviewed.

Several days later, a thread on another blog and then your thread caused me to think about the black gay angle. I did not assume, however, that a black gay voice would necessarily be supportive of the governor's action.

I strongly support same sex marriage. But I have heard some black gays/lesbians say that other issues are more important to them (I listed several in a previous comment). I've even heard some black gays say that same-sex marriage is a 'white gay thing'.

Of course, it would have been great if a black gay person had been interviewed for the piece AND had spoken in favor of same-sex marriage rights.

atl kid

"You are correct, I do not live in NY. But I have been to NY a number of times."

ROFLMAO. Sounds like you are more of an expert than Bernie and ROD. Hilarious.

Charles

Who cares what other people think; that is one of the worst problems that the Black community faces is "peer pressure". It is self-destructive and extremely limiting. If you ask someone about something that does not matter to them you are going to get all sorts of weird and biased answers. People know the correct thing to say when it comes to world hunger but no one donates time or energy to change it. Gay marriage is a lightening rod in the Black community because black men and women cannot accept that anyone would sleep with someone of the same sex because it is seen as limiting and for many a creation by the white man to destroy the community. Also the Black churches have loved this topic as it gives the man on the pulpit fodder to spew and the congregation to feel self-righteous. What a lethal combination!

Why ask people who are not gay what they think about gay marriage. Public opinion is not the issue here as it is a matter of law. When Lincoln made the abolishment of slavery an issue he did not do so because of public opinion. He was motivated by the fact that it was unconstitutional. It is just that simple.

As a gay black man, I could care less what other people think about my rights.

It is a shame that the Black community is swimming around its small tank with blood in the water with sharks abound.

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