« Attention Sugar Daddies: Olympic Gymnast Louis Smith Needs Support | Main | Obama Pitches Chicago 2016 »

20 November 2008

Comments

Jaysin

Freeleo, you live in Los Angeles?

That explains a lot.

M. Mark

Kevjack is positively absolutely right. This was a political campaign and you cannot BLAME people who didn't vote for your candidate or issue. And it's prety obvious mistakes were made.

I find it the height of arrogance and condescension to second guess the freakin' Speaker of the California Assembly. How quaint, some people are very willing to quote exit polls and certain gay white bloggers as gospel, but the most powerful black woman in the state of California is questioned.

Grant

this is some bull you know what ....It takes a lot of nerve to come on THIS blog and accuse ROD of not trying to get people involved. He has been talking about marriage for years. Most people here HAVE JUST NOT CARED. It's just not a big issue in the black gay community.


There is only so much someone reading a blog in Ohio can do about a vote in California... Besides donating money or staying informed... so don't come on here saying what WE SHOULD have done. I know for a FACT that Rod was asking people to get involved and donate LOOOONG before many black gays started talking Prop 8. And he didn't have to.

And he said money times, NO PROP 8 NEVER CONTACT HIM. So that is a perfect illustration of what he said, Karen Bass said, and Jack n Jill say. No on 8 didn't engage black LGBTs, many of us did what we could, but it was up to No on 8 and HRC and others to 'sell' their position. It was up to you gays, white and black in California to sell your campaign. You didn't do it don't start blaming everyone else.

Grant

one more thing....kim i went back to read your previous comments in the other post... if you are really 'black' you can blame prop 8's loss on people like yourself. you claim you are 'black and gay' but 'don't know black gay people who are struggling' and all your friend are upper class and you can't see why everybody didn't vote for this. you sound like a damn fool and more elitist than any white queen in the castro or weho.

if YOU couldn't go in the hood, or know any black gays who could go in the hood and knock on doors, or even do mailing, all of which NO ON 8 DID NOT DO, how do you expect whites to do it.

this was your responsibility , girl, not the responsibility of a blogger in new york city or atlanta. this is a damn shame, the speaker of your own state's legislature is cosigning what rod said LAST WEEK and you still are trying to blame the black and black gay community. i sincerely doubt you are black if you are you are joke

ATL Kid

Freeleo and yeahisaidit...no no no, Bill KKK doesn't have any valid points. I'm not going to allow any racebaiting gay whites to start herding all 'blacks' together. Like we are an amoeba or monolith and all think alike and do whatever a preacher or politician tells us to do.

And shame on you for letting him think he can get away with that.

Bill is a racist troll On the one hand he wants to blame blacks for Prop 8, on the other he wants to say its a good reason black gay leaders or leaders were nt consulted. Yes, and Prop 8 loss, so what does that tell you, Mary?


Oh and Freeleo if you livein LA 15 years and don't know about black LGBT leadership that is REFLECTION ON YOU. I am in Atlanta and am only 25 but know there is Jasmyne, Ron Buckmire, Phill Wilson, Jewel at Catch One and In the Meantime. If LA's lack lgbt leadership is weak, yo, THEN STEP UP.

jaysin makes a point. You live in LA and have been coming to this blog all the time, surely you could have organized something on donated something. But I'd rather take the word of your black assembly speaker from Los Angeles, than the word of anonymous blog critics.

Dwight (in Atlanta)

Who are the black LGBT leaders in California? Do they speak with a coherent voice?

One of the things that I find curious about the proposition 8 post mortems is the notion that black LGBT leadership was bypassed or never approached. Isn't the right to marry something that would benefit black LGBT people also?

I do believe the breakdown of civilized discourse is deplorable. However, I am not surprised by some of the people who "went there," to use Karen Bass' phrase.

Black folks ought to wake up and start having the serious conversations about our lives. Many of us turn a deaf ear to the hateful diatribes spewed from the pulpit on many Sundays or Saturdays. Are you surprised that many of the people (black or white) sitting to the right of left of you may have supported a law to restrict your civil rights?

It is wrong to blame black people in California for the passage of Prop 8. It is also wrong (and naive) to claim that the black LGBT leadership was never invited or approached. Leaders appropriate opportunities, and don't wait for an invitation to L-E-A-D!

Kenyon

Rod --

Who is this "we" you keep referring to in your covert critique of Jasmyne's critique of the marriage politics. I happen to share them, and so do a hell of a lot of other people (www.beyondmarriage.org). Do that many people disagree with her or are you manufacturing consent with your position, or manufacturing more dissent with hers/ours than is actually out there?

Kenyon, a "covert critique"? I obviously agree with much of Jasmyne's position today--which is why she was quoted extensively--and defended much of her recent LA Times op-ed on this blog and in newspapers. There was a huge amount of "dissent" around that and very "many people", including on this blog, disagree with Jasmyne's marriage position. And, I don't "manufacture dissent", I'm surprised you would say that. RM

freeleo

atl kid; only 25. that explains your fire. i'm a little older. i was marching in parades and signing leases with men, kissing my lover goodbye at airports, and burying friends before you knew your penis had other uses then peeing. i've lived my life without apology.

One man's leader is another man's opportunist. with the exception of jewel mathias, i've met most of the other people you mentioned or at least listened to them speak. i never trusted phil wilson because from what i could see he only had white lovers and his association with blacks was limited to aids prevention team. that's my on bias. i accept that.

some of us don't require the spotlight or need to say what we've done. i don't have anything to prove to anyone. some times it's more effective to invite people over and discuss what's going on in their lives or to share your journey with younger people, encouraging them to finish school and stressing the importance of making wise decisions when it come to choosing friends and life partners.

with obama running for office, my focus was on voter registration and making sure i did what i could financially to help. unforunately, prop 8 was not a high priority for me. based on the ads i was seeing and the fact that blacks and others can be so bogged down in religious dogma that i figured that a no vote would be a tough sell. i still hoped for the best.


I guess i'm one who doesn't need a leader to do the right thing. i think we lead by example.

yeahisaidit

...there need not be any shame on me atl kid... what I meant was, I realize that there might not be any, or as much, outreach from white gays and certain organizations that might satisfy us, or be as effective for us, is all...and in the meantime, like rev kev and bill indicated, we have to initiate and do even more of this "outreach" in our own communities, churches and families when the opportunity arises...this is not to snipe at you by any means though, I can appreciate your concern that I not be misled, but to clarify...I am BLACK and GAY, and just because I attempt to process both these parts of me, it does not mean i'll passively let racebaiters, homophobes, or whomever is one-sided on this issue, to turn me against either perspective, which can, at times, be difficult and frustrating, but for me, at this point in my life, well worth the amount of effort...the dialogue is fascinating and illuminating on so many levels and something i've wanted to see more of for such a long time...i'm doing what I can to take it ALL in so i'll be prepared when the subject comes up around the thankgiving table with my family and friends...

ATL Kid

YeahISaidIt, that was very well spoken and I understand much better here you are coming from.

And Freeleo, I also understand what you are saying but I am very frustrated. The No on 8 campaign lost, not by much, but it lost. Instead of listening to the people who said all along what the problems would be, or looking at the campaign and seeing what was done wrong, everyone complains and blames. Now black gay folks in Cali want to say they don't have any leadership anyway. Okay, i give up.

Tandio

Kevjack I love you comments, man, ...you speak truth...

freeleo

LOL. boy! (and i mean that with affection) you can't give up. you are young and on fire. your world is just beginning and it's changing so quickly. you will see many great things in your life time and many things that will make you sad. you will see gay marriage. it's going to happen. just hang in there. i would say be patient but i know being young that's just not possible.

TheRevKev

SWING OUT SISTER!

VERY PROUD OF THIS POWERFUL WOMAN FOR STANDING UP AND SPEAKING OUT!

NOW, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS IN A VERY REAL, VERY ACTIVE WAY! NO MORE BANTERING AND BICKERING BACK AND FORTH....TO THE TABLE!!!!

THANKS ROD FOR ALWAYS BEING SO ON IT AND IN IT!!!!

LOVE YOU, MAN!

Luther

freelo, you live in LA and have never heard of Phill Wilson??? Or Archbishop Carl Bean?? I live in San Diego and have heard about all the work they are doing in the fight against HIV in the black community. Phill Wilson has been working on this for years.

TheRevKev

P.S.

AMEN KEVJACK!

THE PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY THAT MUST BE HELD IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY OF COLOR AROUND BEING PRESENT, BEING ACTIVE, BEING AN ACTIVIST AND BEING SEEN IS NOW COMING HOME TO ROOST AS WELL.

NOW LONGER CAN WE SIT BACK AND SAY THEM...WAITING ON WHITE LGBTers TO "COME TO OUR RESCUE" OR "SPEAK FOR OUR CAUSE." ONE OF THE REASONS I SO LOVE THIS BLOG AND ROD'S WRITINGS HERE AND IN THE ADVOCATE AND IN OUT MAGAZINE IS THAT HE IS WILLING TO BE A VOICE...FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR CAUSES. HE'S NOT JUST POSITIONING HIMSELF FOR HIMSELF AND WRITING ON THINGS THAT GET HIM IN MAGAZINES OR ON TV. HE KEEPS US INFORMED AND INVOLVED!

THANK YOU KEVJACK FOR REMINDING ME, TODAY, WHICH IS THE ONLY DAY THAT I HAVE, TO BE AS INVOLVED AS I CAN BE!

AS A MEMBER OF THE CIVIL UNION REVIEW COMMISSION HERE IN THE GARDEN STATE OF NEW JERSEY, WHAT I CAN DO AND AM DOING HERE, AT HOME, IS INSURING THAT A DEBACLE LIKE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN MY HOMESTATE AND THAT GAYS AND LESBIANS--BLACK, ASIAN, LATINO, MIDDLE EASTERN, INDIAN, BIRACIAL, MULTI-RACIAL AND WHITE--WHO DESIRE TO EXPRESS THEIR PRIVATE LOVE IN A PUBLIC WAY THROUGH A CEREMONY CAN BE MARRIED IN MY STATE! THAT'S OUR FIGHT HERE AND I AM AT THE TABLE AND SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS.

WHEN I WAS 13, MY MOTHER ASKED ME IF I WAS EVER GOING TO GET MARRIED AND I TOLD HER "YES, MA'M. AS SOON AS THEY MAKE IT LEGAL!" THAT WAS 1977. WHEN WE HEADED TOWARDS CIVIL UNIONS AND ONTO MARRIAGE IN THE STATE OF NJ, WHERE I NOW LIVE AFTER MOVING FROM DC AND THEN TO NYC AND LANDING HERE, MY 81-YEAR OLD MISSISSIPPI BORN, DC LIVING MOTHER CALLED ME TO SAY "BABY, I GUESS GOD HEARD YOUR PRAYERS AND YOUR HUSBAND IS ON THE WAY!"

MY ACTIVISIM ISN'T JUST AT THE COURTHOUSE AND STATE HOUSE LEVELS. I HAVE TO BE MY GREATEST ADVOCATE FOR ME IN MY OWN FAMILY, IN OUR OWN HOUSE!

THANK GOD THAT'S WORKING!

LOVE AND APPRECIATION TO YOU, ROD, AND TO ALL OF YOU FOR AGGRESSIVE, PROGRESSIVE, PASSIONATE AND PERSONAL VOICES...SPEAKING OUT! NO MATTER WHAT, THAT'S WHAT MATTERS MOST!!!!

Elder Kevin E. Taylor
AKA RevKev
Pastor, Unity Fellowship Church
New Brunswick, NJ!

yeahisaidit

...hey! I thought that the RevKev and Kevjack were one and the same....no matter, each has responded on this blog comment section with definite food for thought time and time again and as a result readers such as myself are no longer famished or starving...thanks to them, rod and many others for continuing to feed me...after all these years i'm still VERY hungry...

Markl

I posted my first post here a couple of weeks ago. In that post I decried the attacks against the Black community over Prop 8. I also asked, “Tell me what I can do to help. Tell me what to do and I’m there.” After reading Jasmyne's take on participation in the L.A. Town Hall meeting, I know what I’m supposed to do:

“While I know that your ego and superiority complex will tempt you to attend these meetings, I’d politely ask that you don’t. You’ve done enough damage and now it’s up to the Black same-gender loving community to try and clean up your mess.” –Jasmyne Cannick

I’m supposed to shut the fuck up and go away.

Consider it done.

Un-fucking-believable.

Tandio

Mark, I remember your comment and would encourage you to keep an open mind and stay involved. Jasymne Cannick is but one voice and is not an elected representative. She doesn't 'speak' for all black gay men and lesbians. If you are in California or the Los Angeles area, there are many organizations you could get involved with. But imho not attending one townhall meeting on black and black gay relations is not a dealbreaker.

Eric

I currently reside in San Diego, so I'm pretty exicited about the Town Hall meetings. Will Ms. Cannick post all the dates and times on her blog, or can we find that here as well?

Luther: Can you tell me more about David Binner and his findings? Is he talking about a pre-election or post-election poll? How can I find the results?

Thanks

chris-leo

so, what is this? are we waiting for white, gay people to tell us it's okay to defend ourselves?? the reason the mormons think they can use us as a political football is because they know who won't kick back.

how can we expect black, straight people to defend gay marriage when it's hard to find black, GAY people who think it's important?? my friends in LA went to black clubs and saw NOTHING about prop 8 before the election - not one flyer. don't hate on white people 'cause they're organized.

so, if we want civil rights we should - come out, leave homophobic churchs, check people who use hate speech, stop dancing to murder music, and show support for the repeal of this stupid proposition.

blkbandit

there are so many more important issues to address then gay marriage.

The comments to this entry are closed.

Rod 2.0 Premium

Rod 2.0 Recommends


  • PrideDating.com, a Relationship-Oriented Gay Dating Site

    The largest gay roommate finder in America

    Rolex Watches

    Blogadsgay
    Blogadsgay
    Blogadsgay
    Blogadsgay

Your email address:


Powered by FeedBlitz

Twitter Updates

    follow me on Twitter

    Search Rod2.0


    Categories

    Media

    Netroots

    Blog powered by Typepad