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24 August 2009

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Former COGIC

"' If I put every lesbian out of church, we’d be putting people out of church all day long,' said Whalum."


And that is the sad truth of any black church, especially the anti-gay ones. But why was this couple at his church?

Frank

Wow. I can believe that too, in many black churches the ushers lock the doors and refuse to let anyone inside or outside during the sermon.

Craziness.I bet they did attack these women.

Daniel

And I bet the queens in the choir and all the church queen ushers said NARY A WORD!

Chitown Kev

@Former COGIC

Whalum is running for mayor and the couple planned on supporting him, so this appears to have been a "knowing who he and his people are" type thing.

And another Sunday of anti-gay bashing in the "ni*ga church."

Antwan

@ Daniel:
I wouldn't be surprised if the entire choir was gay. They probably helped surround the women and were singing at the top of their lungs!

Anthony in Nashville

I agree with COGIC, I am having a hard time understanding why they went to the church.

I guess I can understand wanting to check him out, but you can meet and greet candidates in places other than church. And if he's against the anti-discrimination ordinance, I'm not sure why they "intended to support" him.

Something doesn't sound right. You kinda know what you're going to get when you go to a typical black church, I remain surprised when black LGBTs are shocked at some of the things that go on there.

Chitown Kev

@Anthony in Nashville-

Very true but it is the Christian duty of Whalum and his flock to show hospitality to their guests.

Jim

Do you think they might not vote for him now?

Greg G

--->it is the Christian duty of Whalum and his flock to show hospitality to their guests.

they probably offered coffee and donuts after the verbal and physical gay bashing>

Anthony in Nashville

@ Chitown Kev:

You are right, but you know some churches are not very "hospitable," especially if you aren't acting like everyone else.

I still feel like there is some missing information. One site says they were in the front pew; if my memory of church politics is solid, that's not a place to sit if you're a visitor just hoping to observe.

That doesn't justify what happened to them. But it makes me wonder, again, what their purpose was in attending.

Lamar

Was it really necessary for this lesbian so called couple to go to this church and start a scene? Everyone in Memphis knows its reputation. And Rod sorry but not sure how this church is "antigay"...there are many gays at this church they are just quiet about their business. CHURCH IS FOR CHURCH!

Chitown Kev

@Lamar

How were they causing a scene? By not doing the Holy Dance? I grew up in a very conservative Sanctified church and even there not everyone did the Holy Dance when they were directed.

And I suppose these gays that are "just quiet about their business" just sit up there and listen to all sorts of abuse.

I don't even feel sorry for black gays that put up with the anti-gay mess anymore. At this point, they are allowing it to happen.

Byron

Too much information missing. The Memphis Commercial Appeal (linked to in the article) has a much more appropriate headline: "2 women claim assault at New Olivet Baptist." The comments there include at least one person who claims to have been present.

With the exception of the lead sentence, the entire article was excerpted. Two other CommAppeal articles were linked, too. Very interesting you believe a "headline" or "comments" are factual "information." But then again, you probably never wrote for newspapers or produced TV news like I have. You keep defending those gay bashing churches, now. -RM

Carlos

...And Rod sorry but not sure how this church is "antigay"...there are many gays at this church they are just quiet about their business....

Ohhh another church queen rushes to defend these homophobic pastors. Umm, how about the fact the reverend called them GAY from the pulpit? And encouraged his congregation to taunt these women? And opposed the ordinance?

I'm not sure why they went to this church or wanted to support this homophobe but I dont put anything past black LGBTs and the black church. But the behavior is ineexcusable.

Ravenback

It was wrong what occurred at the church. That goes without saying. But why would this lesbian couple consider supporting a man who is against anti-discrimination laws? And why go to his church? It would be like me going to a KKK rally. They're just not that into us. Get over it and move on. There's so much more to life than trying to be accepted by homophobes.

DW Jazzlover

Tell it like it is Ravnback, I agree.

Jamel Smith

The church members treated the women very poorly. And these are people of God?

I also agree with Ravenback: gay folks going into some of these churches is like us going to a KKK rally. Why would someone go to a place where they are not wanted?

Anthony in Nashville

I concur with everyone who said that black gays need to develop the inner strength to get beyond the need to go to places that don't welcome our presence.

Sadly, I wonder if even half of us will get to that place. Too many of us still "pick" our race before sexuality, instead of integrating the two.

Jamel Smith

"Too many of us still "pick" our race before sexuality, instead of integrating the two."

Anthony in Nashville, you are so correct.

Darryl

Kirk Whalum is a jazz musician/saxophonist not a gospel singer, Rod.

UniquE

I don't know if I'm more appalled at the article or the ignorant people leaving comments... People are asking why these women went to this church? For one, Whalum is a mayoral candidate. Many Memphis citizens have been and should be attending in hopes to see what his platforms are. I, too, visited because I know nothing about him. It is much easier to visit a preacher than any other politician due to their accessibility to the community. Secondly, many of you are saying "Why would someone go to a place where they are not wanted?" Well, that is mind-blowing to me to even wrap my head around such a statement. Who would think that you're not welcome in CHURCH!!! In a place that's supposed to be about love and acceptance regardless of race or circumstance. I have lived in Memphis for 6 years and attended this church on several occasions and I NEVER knew that this church was known for being anti-gay. So, how would 2 people off the street just happen to know that this house of love is not really that? This is humiliating and horrific! And we wonder why the gays don't come to church to be delivered? So, whoremongers, rapists, pedophiles, liars, cheaters can now stand up and church and throw the first stone at others? These members and this pastor can judge now as if they are God? Our black community is in dire straits if this kind of behavior is tolerated!! Lord, please bless each person that reads this post and allow them to love their neighbor as you want us to love and have shown us love. Forgive the ignorant that hurt and wound others in your namesake. Amen.

Chitown Kev

"Well, that is mind-blowing to me to even wrap my head around such a statement. Who would think that you're not welcome in CHURCH!!! In a place that's supposed to be about love and acceptance regardless of race or circumstance."

That's was the purpose of my comment about hospitality. When i was growing up, there were always even a few whites that were scattered in the pews of the Sanctified church every Sunday that I attended and they were ALWAYS welcomed.

Saved, Black, & heterosexual

To Chitown Kev you need to stop using the N word that you posted on this site. It is apparent that you are a very ignorant person. I worship with blacks, whites, & hispanics. You should be ashamed of yourself for posting that out on any site about anyone. I have nothing to say about what happened at the church because we do not have the entire story, but you posted your story on the site when you posted that word. Come on this is 2009 and yes we have an African American President. Times has changed and will continue to change so deal with it but in a positive manner. Why is it that the people in the south has to deal with racist people all the time. OMG this is so childish grow the heck up Chitown Kev, if you are big and bad enough to post that word then post your correct name.

Earl FF

ROFLOL @ "Saved, Black, & heterosexual"

Is that the name you use on all teh gay blogs? Oh and why are you on a BLACK gay blog, Mr or Miss Hetersosexual? smh

Chitown Kev

Oh, no Miss Saved did NOT come for me.

First off, the spelling variant on that word is commonly accepted usage with the thugs, dope pushers, and what not in the black community; the same type of thugs that you and those ilk would celebrate and glorify while simultaneously damning black gays and lesbians to hell. In fact, it was those of your ilk in this particular church that called these two women "bi*ch*s." In the church!

Even if I were to go into the church nowadays, I would never ever use those words, I have that much respect remaining for any church.

Personally, I don't like the use of the word at all by anyone, black or white. If you are offended by the use of that word then you should be, because that's how much respect I actually have for you people who think you can use the same tools that Massa kept you enslaved in order to keep your black gays and lesbians in check and quiet.

And I am a black gay man who left the church and the saved and the sanctified and the holier than thou folks alone a long time ago because my mother (a black woman who is not religious and who was shunned by people of your ilk)was right; you church folks are full of sh*t.


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